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WilmywoodNCparalegal

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63. I'm neither fine nor against... It's a very difficult topic
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:33 PM
Jun 2013

In theory, I am against those who enter the U.S. without inspection and without regard for the proper procedures - however draconic and bureaucratic they may be.

Being a legal immigrant who has gone through the emotional and financial turmoils of aging out, becoming a professional student and eventually getting permanent residence after well over a decade, there is much that is wrong with the immigration system in the U.S. But I don't fault the U.S. from having laws and regulations in place which I had to follow.

I work in this arena (immigration) and there are daily frustrations with the way the system is set up. At the same time, I do recognize and respect the U.S. rule of law. I know that laws and regulations are in place because of long-standing objectives the U.S. has held in regards to immigration and its borders. They are not clean laws or easy regulations and - as it is true of many other laws and regulations - they are not open to everyone.

I do think there are exceptions to be made for those who didn't have a choice to follow or not follow U.S. immigration laws. I am talking about the children whose parents brought them to the U.S. by entering without inspection or overstaying a visa. That's why I support DACA and the DREAM Act.

I am also very much in favor of the Obama administration's efforts to go after employers with increased ICE worksite and I-9 enforcement audits, which are at a historic high.

I believe that stifling the demand of unscrupulous employers that are U.S.-based for unauthorized workers will lead to a reduced number of people who will risk life or limb to come illegally.

However, I do not condone anyone who uses false documentation or makes false attestations to an employer in order to get a job. Unfortunately, this is something I deal with on a daily basis. Using and procuring false social security numbers or driver's licenses or even U.S. passports or green cards is serious. In particular, fake social security numbers may not be fake at all - in fact, they may belong to someone (a newborn or someone who died) and, in some cases, this someone is a victim of identity theft.

Even worse, there are instances when employees may have lied on government documents such as the I-9, which is completed under penalty of perjury and with the understanding that providing false statements may lead to civil and criminal penalties up to imprisonment. Just last week, two long-time employees had to be terminated. They had falsely stated they were U.S. citizens on their original I-9s completed in 1990, after I conducted an investigation when they tried to change their social security numbers with our payroll department.

Mandating E-Verify for all employers and all new hires would go a long way to prevent some of these document abuses, but not far enough. I can drive just 10 minutes and - with only $150 - get a real-looking social security card. For a little more, I can get a pretty good fake green card. There is a huge difference between wanting to make a better life for yourself and your family and committing fraud or worse.

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That's a hell of a question JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #1
can I join you? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #2
We have two new jugs JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #5
That sounds fantastic Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #15
I think every one of those damn Canadians ought to be sent back. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #3
+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #6
+2, eh? pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #43
welcome to DU quinnox Jun 2013 #4
"Welcoming with open arms" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #32
yea, it seems to me some do see it that way quinnox Jun 2013 #34
I'm not seeing it that way because it is a pathetic oversimplification Hissyspit Jun 2013 #37
just answer the dang question quinnox Jun 2013 #44
Bullshit. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #50
Against. nt pintobean Jun 2013 #7
Ditto. n/t RebelOne Jun 2013 #75
The ones I've met have generally been good people trying to better their lives. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #8
I'd rather have one hundred people cross the borer illegally to do the jobs we don't want... Ian David Jun 2013 #9
There's a reason why Americans don't want those jobs. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #16
We're certainly doing undocumented workers more harm than they're doing us. Ian David Jun 2013 #26
Wrong! I worked construction Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #85
That's why I say an open immigration policy is much more workable. If immigrants come to Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #105
My father wanted his job as a dry-waller joeglow3 Jun 2013 #59
+1! Hangingon Jun 2013 #70
are you blaming the workers? Kali Jun 2013 #78
Where did I assign blame to anyone? joeglow3 Jun 2013 #112
Yep, it's not jobs American's won't do, it's jobs that Americans businesses won't pay for. arcane1 Jun 2013 #96
And they buy politicians who frame the argument so Americans line up to support it joeglow3 Jun 2013 #113
My response to you, in the words of Alvin Dark,... HERVEPA Jun 2013 #10
Personally? ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #11
For. Because our immigration system is completely brain-damaged and racist. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #12
Thank you! nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #77
Yup. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #110
If they are already here, I'm not for treating them as the right wingers want. Hoyt Jun 2013 #13
I think crossing the border without permission should be illegal. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #14
Unauthorized border crossing is a civil violation. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #18
What I'd like to know is why we don't hear much about the employers PotatoChip Jun 2013 #40
a lot are hired as "sub-contract" workers, especially in Saphire Jun 2013 #46
Yes, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are layers PotatoChip Jun 2013 #57
The employers benefit from the legal limbo of their workers. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #47
This. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #53
See, this is why I think that the Shrub admin. turned a blind eye PotatoChip Jun 2013 #55
it isn't/wasn't just the shrub admin Kali Jun 2013 #82
Maybe just a fine leftynyc Jun 2013 #41
Yes I am personally fine with it marions ghost Jun 2013 #17
Yes and no Warpy Jun 2013 #19
Only anarchists or extreme libertarians favor no borders. former9thward Jun 2013 #20
I'm not fine with breaking the law Politicalboi Jun 2013 #21
Darn! WovenGems Jun 2013 #22
I have no problem with it giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #23
No. Nor am I fine with the US imperialism that created social conditions so deplorable think Jun 2013 #24
I am for human beings being treated like human beings. Kali Jun 2013 #25
letting millions of illegal aliens pour into our country ain't exactly a solution quinnox Jun 2013 #31
sure, tell that to virtually every non-Native American here Kali Jun 2013 #74
Mexico militarizes its southern border. oneshooter Jun 2013 #97
Sigh...you really need to put more thought into this N/T Marengo Jun 2013 #27
I am fine with them. roody Jun 2013 #28
What the fuck difference does it make whether I'm "personally fine" with it? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #29
+1 pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #35
I'm not a fan of sneaking into the country, but I'm not against the people themselves arcane1 Jun 2013 #30
Yes, I am personally fine with those who cross the border illegally ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #33
I'm personally fine with an international labor movement Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #36
No - they're criminals leftynyc Jun 2013 #38
on the purely personal level I am. However, I accept that the modern nation-state does require Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #39
I would grant 100% amnesty, citizenship,voting rights now & also same to Syrian/Egyptian refugees graham4anything Jun 2013 #42
Toss in a car wash and you got yourself a deal! n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #92
I don't care. Blue_In_AK Jun 2013 #45
Here, here! randome Jun 2013 #48
I'm fine with them. LWolf Jun 2013 #49
I'm not fine with this OP KG Jun 2013 #51
lol quinnox Jun 2013 #56
No FarCenter Jun 2013 #52
I am against it. Immigrants need to do what my mom did and apply and arrive legally. nt Nay Jun 2013 #54
Are you personally fine with edhopper Jun 2013 #58
lol quinnox Jun 2013 #60
+1 uppityperson Jun 2013 #103
Fine, I'm not fine with the labor black market that allows them to be abused and for TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #61
For mokawanis Jun 2013 #62
I'm neither fine nor against... It's a very difficult topic WilmywoodNCparalegal Jun 2013 #63
+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #89
Strongly against. badtoworse Jun 2013 #64
Against people? Orsino Jun 2013 #65
I'm all for it duuser5822 Jun 2013 #66
I don't care if they don't obey all other laws. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #72
Pretty much, yeah. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #67
I all for it. bravenak Jun 2013 #68
Only capital is unafffected by borders. rug Jun 2013 #69
Oh goody! I'll play, I'll play ....... oldhippie Jun 2013 #71
I'm not fine with it, but I have great sympathy for the plight of those people Cleita Jun 2013 #73
The laws the law and it should be enforced. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #76
Sometimes the law is an ass. This is one of those times. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #106
No, and yes. I'd like them to show some respect for our laws and to those who are playing kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #79
Somehow I don't think this thread will go well. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #80
The law's the law Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #81
Fine with it. Iggo Jun 2013 #83
NO, they should be arrested. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #84
"Personally fine" or not has nothing to do with it. If folks come into, or stay, illegally, they bike man Jun 2013 #86
What's legal or illegal when it comes to migration? ananda Jun 2013 #87
Keep your eye on the ball gollygee Jun 2013 #88
Do you know anyone that came here illegally? N/t FreeState Jun 2013 #90
I am fine with it. Corporations don't have borders Whisp Jun 2013 #91
I'm for lawful immigration. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #93
Life is not so simple. These people are desperate for a better life. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #94
Yes...I'm fine with it... Sancho Jun 2013 #95
Given a choice between the exploited and the exploiters... opiate69 Jun 2013 #98
Yes. Generally, yes. Vanje Jun 2013 #99
Oh wait! WAIT!!!! Vanje Jun 2013 #100
wbere did your ancestors come from? Skittles Jun 2013 #101
Yes, I think in their position I might have done the same thing treestar Jun 2013 #102
Nobody has posted "post and run" or whatever the phrase is so I will. uppityperson Jun 2013 #104
Indeed. Lone_Star_Dem Jun 2013 #107
Yup MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #108
legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair H2O Man Jun 2013 #109
I have no problem with it loyalsister Jun 2013 #111
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