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30. Honestly that list you guys do has some valid points that would play better if

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:00 AM

Jun 2013

you did not insist on claiming DOMA when the opposite of progress is what defines this moment. DOMA is the law of the land. It harms my family's standing in life, Joe. It is not cute to use it as a pompom until it is won.
This is the single most cloying tactic used on DU. Some go so far as to claim 'DOMA is no longer enforced' others say 'gays have plenty of rights already'.
It is always tacky to demand credit for work left undone, smarmy to expect congratulations for continued discrimination.
If you folks would just not try to claim DOMA as a victory until it is won, you'd find far fewer angry responses. DOMA is the law of the land, used by YOUR community to do harm to my own community, right now, still, no end in sight. Deal with the facts, please.

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What we as Democrats and Obama will own. [View all] Safetykitten Jun 2013 OP

drone murder as well. social security cuts. The Link Jun 2013 #1

Yep, it was Obama jsr Jun 2013 #3

When are those cuts going to kick in, btw?? I mean with all the breathless JoePhilly Jun 2013 #6

Living in the moment of nothing happening, so it's ok. Nothing is happening...now. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #9

And its not going to happen. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #12

Thank you for your assurances, I know we all can sleep because of you. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #13

How one sleeps with their hair constantly on fire is a JoePhilly Jun 2013 #15

you are equally mysitfying as a comfortable Democrat that sees nothing but CandyLand. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #21

There is a vast distance between Hair-on-fire and Candyland ... not that JoePhilly Jun 2013 #25

Anyone that posts that kind of propaganda is a CandyLand Democrat. Shortsighted also. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #26

Short sighted would be preferring nothing to an ACA that moves in the JoePhilly Jun 2013 #32

People are dying as you may know, or may want to repress. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #41

And they'd be dying WITHOUT the ACA too ... or do you not get that? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #46

Joe, tell us your uninsured story, I for one would love to hear it! Safetykitten Jun 2013 #50

When I was a kid, my family did not have any insurance at all. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #58

This is not about YOUR past. It's about OUR future, and your ease of denegrating... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #60

Your bitterness is going to eat you alive. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #67

How is it insulting to point out that people that have constantly go after people that do not... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #73

I can barely read your first sentence. And your second sentence is even worse. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #80

It has been made abundantly clear with other people that are insured and love the ACA... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #84

So you are ascribing to me, the positions of others ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #89

I am pointing out my experience as a "doom" guy on ACA on DU. Me and others... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #92

Where did I say it would be a pefect world? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #103

The very act of broadcasting your approval of a yet to be started ACA plan, and your... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #107

Aspects of the ACA are in place now JoePhilly Jun 2013 #116

Yes, I agree. Short sighted on your part. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #120

I'm sure that he will, of course, do the honorable thing and liquidate every asset Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #131

81..... Itchinjim Jun 2013 #2

Nailed it... SidDithers Jun 2013 #18

Sid, your cryptic items are hilarious. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #23

Don't forget rainy days, earthquakes and Will Smith's last film. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #4

... and my flat tire 2 weeks ago. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #7

Doubling the stock market ... saving GM ... ending Iraq war ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #5

This is the funny part. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #10

The endless doom and gloom, yes, very funny. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #14

Your points, hold them close, you will need them very soon as they will make people laugh. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #17

And if you can't get everyone into the life boat, sink it. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #22

The ACA is just starting, just like deregulation, privatization and general corporate shit, we will Safetykitten Jun 2013 #24

Ahhh ... so I should be upset about a bad thing that YOU PREDICT will happen ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #27

Predict? Have you talked to any republicans lately? Oh wait, where YOU live there are not any. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #31

You (like the Republicans), PREDICT that the ACA will be a disaster. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #33

Does it work personally for you? Just you? Safetykitten Jun 2013 #45

For just me ... no, not currently. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #53

Oh, so you don't HAVE any unisured issues, just regular insurance issues, like you son staying on Safetykitten Jun 2013 #55

You know nothing about me. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #62

But you said you had insurance now. See how that "now" works joe? Safetykitten Jun 2013 #81

Yes I do. Apparently, that's a crime in your world. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #83

Don't apologize. But don't tell people that the AC is the best thing since sliced bread... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #90

Joe Philly, you are my hero today. Unca Jim Jun 2013 #87

Life and death and the care you get, tends to be absolute in it's outcomes. Messy life is... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #93

Hey, thanks ... I really appreciate that. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #97

So true. Unca Jim Jun 2013 #139

History has Bill Clinton at a 70% approval rating. He gave us DADT & DOMA, missed OBL. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #34

That's so funny, them being blamed. I love that part! Safetykitten Jun 2013 #40

Them who? You're the only person blaming anyone. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #54

Republican obstructionism being the blame. So fascinating you think that way. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #59

Fascinating that your OP is just you basically making a shitty psychic prediction. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #66

Cool, we will see then. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #68

Wait, are you talking about for elections or for legacy? I agree that some of JaneyVee Jun 2013 #74

Both. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #79

Blaming Clinton for DADT really isn't fair. tblue Jun 2013 #82

Life is not fair. The President can handle some blame. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #85

Interesting, he compromised treestar Jun 2013 #108

The first sitting President to support marriage equality did all that nothing. great white snark Jun 2013 #16

The other funny part. This is probably the only thing that will be a positive... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #19

No one is going to remember that ... pfffft. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #20

Shhhhh... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #29

True, I need to know my place. Amazing post you just wrote. So true. Kinda. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #36

Just another day here on Hair-on-fire Underground. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #69

With all due respect, anyone who might have something to say on the subject of HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #95

President Santorum Or Palin???? KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #123

Your mockery reminds me of my associates who openly scoffed in 2000 at the idea that HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #124

Hardly Mockery.... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #134

"Obama is all evil " zeemike Jun 2013 #129

Honestly that list you guys do has some valid points that would play better if Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #30

Thank you for your rationality in the usual situation dealing with devotees. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #35

It would be possible to celebrate the progress actually made without the demand that Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #47

Remember when the prediction here on DU was that Obama would never end DADT? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #70

And the anger that he didn't do it by executive order treestar Jun 2013 #110

Don't bogart that joint my friend. progressoid Jun 2013 #64

Oh dear, you have fractured the narrative...they do not like that. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #99

they? one_voice Jun 2013 #135

"insurance does NOT equal health care." zeemike Jun 2013 #133

It will never be enough Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #111

"They"? Oh brother. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #112

If the shoe fits Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #122

"Wasting YEARS playing nice guys with the republicans...for nothing." Zorra Jun 2013 #8

Wonderfully a propos (and a great scene from HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #101

Nope on everything you listed except for the NSA bit. And it's possible Americans will forget about BenzoDia Jun 2013 #11

The NSA stuff will be front and center on republican ads though. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #28

Rand Paul will. But the establishment Republicans support it. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #43

Until election time. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #49

We have videos of them supporting it. n/t Gore1FL Jun 2013 #125

Why should republicans not share in that treestar Jun 2013 #37

Republicans are masters of deflection. They LIE. So we are always at their mercy. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #38

We do have to work with them when they hold Congress treestar Jun 2013 #56

We will blamed if we like it or not. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #63

Why? By whom? treestar Jun 2013 #75

republicans are unreasonable people. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #78

Because the moneyed interests that own them... Orsino Jun 2013 #138

I don't like that the Democratic party Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #39

....and the people that occupy the mushy center usually don't turn out to well... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #42

The Democratic Party is not an opposition party, nor do we have a HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #106

Then perhaps it could act like the party that's in power. MindPilot Jun 2013 #119

Impossible also, because we currently have a divided government, whereby HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #121

So ProSense Jun 2013 #44

I think I am safe throwing Krugman under the bus, as he has tire marks from DU already... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #48

"but it is a fact and it will be used by republicans" ProSense Jun 2013 #51

Isn't history writtenby the winners? At this stage, we are not winning. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #65

The Republicans are "winning"? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #71

Yes, actually they are. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #77

Where? Gore1FL Jun 2013 #126

Countdown to Prosense clip and paste...5...4....3.... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #52

Don't worry, ProSense Jun 2013 #72

I feel...safe and happy that you are here. Thank you. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #76

So in YOUR infinite wisdom, YOU know Obamacare will fail. Where have I heard that before? still_one Jun 2013 #57

Another tale of the insured...tell us YOUR uninsured story. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #61

I said nothing about insured or uninsured, I simply said it takes affect in 2014, and you already still_one Jun 2013 #137

Absolutist opinions. Perhaps you can appreciate problems people might have with such patrice Jun 2013 #86

Good point. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #94

Reality is a very diverse event . . . a verb, actually. Thanks for not being angry. :-) patrice Jun 2013 #98

Why would I be angry at that? Good point. But on percentages, the fight is... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #105

Yes! It's an uphill fight. Maybe I've been on the outside so long, and that includes with patrice Jun 2013 #113

I have been fairly critical of Obama... NCTraveler Jun 2013 #88

BTW, is that "SAFETYKitten" as in SAFETY Dance? . . . or is it something more generic? nt patrice Jun 2013 #91

I LOVE the Safetydance! Safetykitten Jun 2013 #96

me too! There used to be this kind of 20th century folk movement to do it EVERYWHERE. nt patrice Jun 2013 #100

I like to imagine doing that whole dance with my DU brothers and sisters... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #102

We are dancing in the streets here in KC. It's a younger crowd, though, so I guess the Safety Dance patrice Jun 2013 #104

Why did you bring it up then, just a bon-mot to point out that I am old? Safetykitten Jun 2013 #109

I thought you were young! So I was wondering about that apparent allusion to the Safety Dance. patrice Jun 2013 #114

Oh...ok...sorry about that. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #115

It's okay. It's hard to understand other people in this environment. nt patrice Jun 2013 #117

we can post if we want to... dionysus Jun 2013 #140

It was all Obama's fault Progressive dog Jun 2013 #118

Super-duper Unrec for pushing Repub bullshit as fact emulatorloo Jun 2013 #127

Indeed Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #130

I think Obama is proud of that considering how quick he was to deny that he forestpath Jun 2013 #128

Thanks, Obama... SidDithers Jun 2013 #132

Pfft You suck at predictions. AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #136

Thanks for the links. ProSense Jun 2013 #141

it's DU gold AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #142

Damn. Didn't even need to click the second links, the first one was so freaking bad Number23 Jun 2013 #143