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76. Wrong

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:28 PM

Jun 2013

Those were Mr. Snowden's claims.

And so far they have, and not only DU (as we are often way ahead of the MS) but around the world. Therefore he has been very prescient on that front.

And, the question remains, should it be considered a crime to expose gov wrong doing against the American people?

Time for the SCOTUS to weigh in, was it gov wrong-doing, and then, how can exposing it be a crime, except in a totalitarian state.

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U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 OP

His Actions Seem To Fit The Statute, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2013 #1

It's so much beyond him, but that's ok nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #2

LOL, it is pretty scary when someone politely disagrees with you. FSogol Jun 2013 #6

Let's not pretend "The Magistrate" politely does anything. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #10

schtick distilled bobduca Jun 2013 #72

Coldly calculated, at that. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #73

How on earth did the Magistrate offend you with those simple truthful words? DCBob Jun 2013 #45

truthful? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #74

Perhaps because he speaks out of both sides of his mouth. reusrename Jun 2013 #75

He was charged with theft of government property. reusrename Jun 2013 #70

It's in the rocket docket. How is that secret? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #84

Yes, that way any of us interested in knowing about any of this truedelphi Jun 2013 #89

List of laws involving national security. Please note the ones he's DevonRex Jun 2013 #94

From the link: ProSense Jun 2013 #3

Article excerpt from yesterday, below Tx4obama Jun 2013 #4

What you mean Clinton era global government ceonupe Jun 2013 #47

Sounds like he'll be US bound flamingdem Jun 2013 #97

Now we get to see how much the Chinese think he is worth. Rex Jun 2013 #5

Obama's amazing Transparent Surveillance State Machine rolls on! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #7

Thanks, Obama... SidDithers Jun 2013 #11

Can always count on you to say MNBrewer Jun 2013 #13

Yep cpwm17 Jun 2013 #15

Just like we can count on anti-Obama snark from you... SidDithers Jun 2013 #25

+1000. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #49

When he or his administration gets something right, I comment MNBrewer Jun 2013 #68

Complicate in a good way or a bad way? dkf Jun 2013 #8

Bad way for the US nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #9

Someone made a point that the espionage charge is due to disclosing Chinese hack attacks to a dkf Jun 2013 #26

Might, I don't know. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #35

And spying on a university. Geez. dkf Jun 2013 #37

They do as well. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #40

the way i see it a newspaper is a newspaper Monkie Jun 2013 #67

OP is completely unfamiliar with this, which is not surprising. Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #27

Hasn't he been charged? dkf Jun 2013 #29

This is a sealed criminal complaint... Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #31

Sealed criminal compliant...still all this damned secrecy. dkf Jun 2013 #41

WOW. You don't know how common this is in federal cases, do you? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #44

Well I hope we never see it then. dkf Jun 2013 #58

"the little tricks of legalese" OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #69

Unfortunately I am learning about due process thanks to govt overreach dkf Jun 2013 #71

You could've started at the library. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #77

But they didn't have to, did they? dkf Jun 2013 #83

Didn't have to what? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #85

Seal it. dkf Jun 2013 #90

makes me laugh that those on DU continually wishing to string up Obama.... Sheepshank Jun 2013 #86

The good news for Snowden is MNBrewer Jun 2013 #12

Or Pakistan. Rex Jun 2013 #19

+1 n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #32

Can it ever be a crime to report wrong-doing by gov? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #14

Under US law? Yes nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #17

Another poster explained to me it is now unethical to report unethical behavior in government avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #22

Yup, give me a sec, and will give you link nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #30

Right, but it hasn't been addressed by the SCOTUS usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #39

We first need a case. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #42

State vs Edward Snowden usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #51

Yeah, but the court needs to take it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #52

Agreed but at least it will remove any remaining doubt usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #78

True nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #79

You are ignoring the fact that he STOLE classified government documents. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #20

"wrong-doing"? ProSense Jun 2013 #55

Wrong usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #76

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." davidn3600 Jun 2013 #16

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #18

'Saying something' and STEALING classified government documents are two totally different things. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #21

No... Sometimes Merely Saying Something Is A Criminal Act... Even For Sitting U.S. Senators... WillyT Jun 2013 #28

You might want to read this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #36

so you see a house on fire with a baby inside, but the door is locked Monkie Jun 2013 #92

Yep Catherina Jun 2013 #46

"Realize this will complicate any extradition request" Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #23

LOL! n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #34

Crunchy... SidDithers Jun 2013 #59

Pay back's a bitch cpwm17 Jun 2013 #24

You can bet that the trial, if it occurs, will be a closed affair Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #33

Well by the time they get to trial... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #38

It will be closed before it could even start Catherina Jun 2013 #54

Its a clear case of espionage.. even it he didn't realize it or intend it. DCBob Jun 2013 #43

You mean the same ones that nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #48

How? davidn3600 Jun 2013 #50

He could have taken it to someone like Bernie Sanders... DCBob Jun 2013 #57

Two links nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #61

I think these are not comparable cases. DCBob Jun 2013 #64

Drake was as well until it wasn't nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #65

Wikileaks has arranged a plane ready to fly him to Iceland. FarCenter Jun 2013 #53

Hong Kong tends to not do extraditions nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #56

One possibility is that Hong Kong takes him into custody awaiting the outcome of extradition process FarCenter Jun 2013 #60

We will see nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #63

He won't make it to Iceland. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #66

Good. lamp_shade Jun 2013 #62

So much for the national conversation about the spying. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #80

They are trying to stop it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #81

Did Snowden receive any compensation for the info he released...from anyone? Sheepshank Jun 2013 #82

if he wanted money why leak in public, your question makes no sense? Monkie Jun 2013 #91

I can think of at least two responses Sheepshank Jun 2013 #100

i lost you at i can think Monkie Jun 2013 #101

Tyrants have strong thumbs..weak fingers. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #87

His actions were terribly misplaced, the cause will be exposed and those involved Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #88

You are confusing, pretty adroitly I must say, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #93

So what Snowden reported *wasn't* Bullshit. Otherwise why bother charging him? n/t yodermon Jun 2013 #95

Nope...talking points need revision nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #96

Snowden took real documents from a NSA server and shared them with unauthorized people. DCBob Jun 2013 #98

The reason to charge him is because he committed several felonies. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #99

Welcome to bizzaro world Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #102

Well, per MSNBC Snowden is going to Ecuador to seek political asylum nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #103