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hootinholler

(26,451 posts)
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:44 PM Jun 2013

I'm beginning to think the NSA, CIA, et. al. are bad ideas. Talk me down. [View all]

I've been wondering, what if Intelligence were to be crowd sourced instead of opaque?

It seems to me the problem with these agencies is that whomever has the reins of these organizations has tremendous effective power to shape the world as they see fit. The authoritarian's wet dream.

The way classified material is organized yields an organizational structure that can be visualized as a man of war jellyfish. The tentacles each with their own targets and purpose, but unlike the jellyfish these tentacles are steerable from on high.

The situation we have now is very troubling to me. My suspicion is that the NSA is operating a "Slurp-N-Burp" (tm) where communications are slurped up and stored, and then once a target is identified the entire stream of their past communications is available in its full glory. We have confirmation that this is done for a segment of the US population. We don't have it fully divulged as far as I know.

That even this small (relatively, it's still quite impressive, I'm sure) corpus exists in secret, anyone smart enough to gain access to it has to realize the potential of the system. The information is there for any company's executive who deals overseas. Congressional Staffers? Most likely. Journalists? You betcha, complete with that infamous airhead wink. All of that and most likely more ready to be tapped in service to shape the world.

From behind a veil. It seems every time a Toto comes along, they are smacked hard. Journalists dieing, whistle blowers jailed and politicians mysteriously change positions or fail to ask the crucial follow up in hearings. Is that what is actually happening? Fuck if I know, but God Damn it smells to high heaven.

So now, I'm pondering the notion that we need to burn the curtain this time. I have several problems with that notion because the world is truly a dangerous place. I will concede the idea that these opaque agencies had made it more so. Yet, still it remains that we do need intelligence.

That brings me to the subject, which is the question: Could we satisfy the intelligence needs of a free society with croud sourcing?



What else might work?

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We need to change the context from divisive to connected. Gregorian Jun 2013 #1
Even afterward we were hootinholler Jun 2013 #2
Certainly not. cali Jun 2013 #3
I had Apple Pie today. Wish you could have shared it Catherina Jun 2013 #5
you lucky duck, you. cali Jun 2013 #7
Talk you down? Come sit right next to me so I can talk you UP! Catherina Jun 2013 #4
But teh DOW! hootinholler Jun 2013 #6
Alas, poor Wall Street may have to work for a living Catherina Jun 2013 #16
I just had a vision of Bernanke hootinholler Jun 2013 #18
"piece work rates for popping rivets" re-education program Monkie Jun 2013 #29
Do you think we could stop them if we wanted? Incitatus Jun 2013 #8
Fuck if I know how to stop them hootinholler Jun 2013 #9
if they could do it in egypt? Monkie Jun 2013 #30
The Internet is connecting us all in ways we never dreamed were possible. randome Jun 2013 #10
Really? hootinholler Jun 2013 #11
Overview from CIA site. randome Jun 2013 #19
Look at the woo-ier parts of DU and FR for, oh I don't know, a couple of days Recursion Jun 2013 #12
And that would be worse than what we have how? hootinholler Jun 2013 #14
The Internet has *reinforced* the majority of Americans who believe in creationism Recursion Jun 2013 #17
Are you saying this is all to catch meth labs and pedophile rings? hootinholler Jun 2013 #20
No, but you're saying you don't want any secrecy at all Recursion Jun 2013 #22
Stop domestic NSA spying or else... Octafish Jun 2013 #13
You can have my democracy hootinholler Jun 2013 #15
Absolutely. Octafish Jun 2013 #21
What else might work? Having our government function more closely to the way it was intended Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #23
+1 Well said. wtmusic Jun 2013 #25
So we would be the only country in the world without intelligence agencies treestar Jun 2013 #24
The CIA is still made up of the same kind of jokers it had in the first place and NSA is just thier jwirr Jun 2013 #26
Unfortunately....... Turbineguy Jun 2013 #27
Crowdsourcing intelligence >>>> lots of disinformation to sort through. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #28
Talk you down? No way! truebluegreen Jun 2013 #31
I wish I could, but honestly in good conscience that is not possible. nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #32
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