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randome

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77. I will believe anything Mr. Snowden says if he provides evidence.

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:40 AM

Jun 2013

His resume was a lie.

He said he "saw things" but he won't say what they were.

He says the NSA can watch our thoughts form as we type.

He said the NSA is downloading the Internet on a daily basis.

He said they have 'direct access' to all the world's Internet providers and all those providers say that's bullshit.

He said, “I am not here to hide from justice" from his undisclosed location in Hong Kong.

The 4 Bush Era whistleblowers say he crossed the line into traitorous activities.

Now tell me, other than providing a legal warrant about phone metadata, why would anyone in their right mind trust this guy?

He has provided not a single scrap of evidence about his outrageous claims.

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BREAKING: Snowden left Hong Kong 'legally and voluntarily', for a 'third country' - HK officials [View all] Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 OP

Surely after Russia he will head on over to North Korea Tx4obama Jun 2013 #1

What is your beef? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #2

they are just doing their job. morningfog Jun 2013 #98

There's only two ways he could leave Russia to anywhere else Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #5

So you're the back-up loyalist on the graveyard shift? Divernan Jun 2013 #28

Long DUer sharing my opinion here. So calm down. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #29

Clarification appreciated. Do you support Snowden remaining free? Divernan Jun 2013 #33

I don't know Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #38

"legal versions of standard police operating procedures" Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #44

Oh, you. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #47

Average people fly in and out of Hong Kong and Russia every day muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #41

You keep thinking that. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #42

Then it's not 'red tape', is it? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #56

Mwahahaha! Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #57

Milla Jovovich recently filmed a movie in Russia Babel_17 Jun 2013 #64

Well, she was born in Ukraine and she speaks Russian. Why is that surprising that she filmed MADem Jun 2013 #68

I was agreeing that's it not unusual for Americans to travel to Russia (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #96

It's not at all unusual for Americans who were born in USSR to travel there, certainly. MADem Jun 2013 #103

OK ... how is that relevant? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #69

I was agreeing that's it not unusual for Americans to travel to Russia (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #97

Had the graveyard, Johnny-on-the-spot shift, hmmmm? Divernan Jun 2013 #26

You know what? Everyone here doesn't agree with you. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #31

When some posters always attack critics of Obama . . . Divernan Jun 2013 #36

Maybe you should stick to questioning their arguments and leave their values and motivations Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #40

Au contraire! Divernan Jun 2013 #48

Perhaps you should read the terms of service here at DU again. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #51

Right! Like you calling me idiotic? Is that covered? Divernan Jun 2013 #53

I didn't do that. Go back and read again. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #55

You said I posted an "idiotic accusation". Divernan Jun 2013 #60

And it was. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #70

that's ridiculous. cali Jun 2013 #49

Your comment is way off the mark and inappropriate. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #105

He might as well make the rounds, huh? SkyDaddy7 Jun 2013 #50

Icelandair flies out of Moscow Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #3

Iceland's new leader is center right. He isn't going there. nt MADem Jun 2013 #52

Wikileaks just tweeted they helped Snowden get passage to "a democratic country" Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #4

I'm betting Ecuador then Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #7

Does Aeroflot fly direct from Moscow to Ecuador? Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #8

I believe they do Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #10

Probably not a nonstop flight DFW Jun 2013 #61

That seems like a very long haul for a direct flight Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #11

Someone on Twitter said (OK, so there's that) he's heading to Caracas via Cuba. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #12

Apparently a Private Plane from Moscow Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #14

good. cali Jun 2013 #6

CCTV is reporting on this right now JI7 Jun 2013 #9

@wikileaks FLASH: Mr. Snowden is currently over Russian airspace accompanied by Hissyspit Jun 2013 #13

Thanks for the updates Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #15

Wikileaks has had the "Wikileaks plane" waiting Hissyspit Jun 2013 #16

That's if he's going to Iceland. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #17

13 MINUTES AGO Snowden has 'Moscow to Cuba plane ticket' There is a ticket in Edward Snowden's name Hissyspit Jun 2013 #18

Russian State TV is saying from Cuba to Venezuela. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #19

I wish him the best. DLevine Jun 2013 #20

Exactly my thoughts too fasttense Jun 2013 #24

13:36 SNOWDEN'S ULTIMATE DESTINATION IS VENEZUELA WHERE HE WILL FLY TO FROM MOSCOW WITH STOPOVER IN Hissyspit Jun 2013 #21

Good choice jsr Jun 2013 #80

Yes, Venezuela, land of the free, where they certainly never abuse personal civil liberties. DCBob Jun 2013 #82

There's a report that Snowden has just landed in Moscow. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #22

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1m The fact that a person flies to City X Hissyspit Jun 2013 #23

@RT_com 8m UPDATE: #Snowden to take SU150 flight to Havana tomorrow, then flies to Caracas with Hissyspit Jun 2013 #25

I wish they wouldn't announce his flight plans magellan Jun 2013 #27

Partcularly after Michael Hastings' "accident". Divernan Jun 2013 #30

I don't know what to make of that magellan Jun 2013 #37

I just saw a report Snowden's got several tickets out of Moscow. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #32

Good. And if they can avoid putting his name on a passenger list magellan Jun 2013 #35

Several Tickets? Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #39

its probably all smokescreen and disinfo to throw of the $80 billion a year contractors Monkie Jun 2013 #75

I hope so magellan Jun 2013 #95

Run, Eddie, run! East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #34

+100000000 x darkangel218 Jun 2013 #43

excellnt xchrom Jun 2013 #45

At least one bit if good news after such a crappy night that i had darkangel218 Jun 2013 #46

ABC is reporting that he leaves for Cuba TOMORROW.... MADem Jun 2013 #54

And makes you think he will do that? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #58

Because you don't get something for nothing. nt MADem Jun 2013 #59

BS. he already told what he had to say. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #62

He's staying overnight. He doesn't leave until tomorrow afternoon. MADem Jun 2013 #67

OMG!!! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #71

Not really Sgent Jun 2013 #102

another univeral "truth" that isn't. cali Jun 2013 #63

Well, whatever you want to think, go on and think that. Quid pro quo makes sense to me. nt MADem Jun 2013 #66

I can predict Snowden's statement upon landing in Russia. randome Jun 2013 #65

So let me get this darkangel218 Jun 2013 #72

I will believe anything Mr. Snowden says if he provides evidence. randome Jun 2013 #77

LOL when did you become some impartial observer Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #94

Since the Snowden Saga began. randome Jun 2013 #104

that would be an accurate statement. See Bradley Manning. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #79

The judge said Manning's treatment was 'excessive'. randome Jun 2013 #81

"excessive" it was torture. He should be released on that malfeasance alone. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #85

If you want to see facts, don't discard the ones you disagree with. randome Jun 2013 #86

Sweet. 99Forever Jun 2013 #73

No kidding jsr Jun 2013 #83

All of their Torture/Rendition Fantasies Thwarted! bobduca Jun 2013 #101

Godspeed Mr Snowden n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #74

So does that make him a Chinese spy or a Russian spy? jsr Jun 2013 #76

I suspect its Venezuela. DCBob Jun 2013 #78

Wikileaks just tweeted that Snowden is landing in Moscow soon. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #84

Ecuador's ambassador to Russia has just arrived at airport. Could be meeting Snowden Catherina Jun 2013 #87

Im.so.happy!! x darkangel218 Jun 2013 #89

Me too :) Catherina Jun 2013 #90

The 1% will hunt him down and beat him like a runaway plantation field slave Zorra Jun 2013 #88

And the same people who worshipped *the law* Catherina Jun 2013 #91

Snowden has been examined by doctor from Ecuador embassy at Moscow airport Catherina Jun 2013 #92

Sen. Chuck Schumer Tears Into Russian Government For �Aiding� NSA Leaker Catherina Jun 2013 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #99

wow.incredible watching this..be safe Mr Snowden..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #100