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alfredo

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91. As a former member of an information gathering agency in the military, the ASA,
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:03 PM
Jun 2013

I can understand how a person can become disillusioned and angry at their own country. Your job in intel becomes your world, you see nothing but the worst in mankind. It twists you, it makes you a cynic. It drives you a little nuts (PTSD?). I went through that crisis myself, but didn't do what Snowden did. I realized nothing would change if I talked, except for me being housed in some federal prison. My own sense of honor prevented me from going against my own word. I said I would keep my mouth shut about my job and I did. Instead of betraying the oath I took, I just carried on and when my time was up, I put on my civies, threw away my shaving kit, walked out the gate and put that life behind me.

It did radicalize me. I dropped out of society for a couple decades. I started coming back in a bit once married. That street fighting anarchist is still inside me, but the old arthritic bones keeps me away from the barricades. It's a young man's game. Snowden may have done more good by channeling that rage into working for justice in his own home town. We need some angry young men and women to fight against mountaintop removal and fracking. Corporate greed and corporate control of our government is the real enemy. (see last paragraph)

As soon as Snowden went public, everything changed in that community. What info he had that hasn't been released, code words, frequencies, encryption, has changed. His value as an asset to our adversaries has diminished greatly. There is a very short shelf life for intel. That's why torture is of little use. An asset gets captured, and before he spends his first night in captivity, his cohorts have moved on and reworked every part of their system. You can't assume he will keep his yap shut.

The real damage done by Snowden is confirming what was suspected, and that is mitigated by the universal realization that no secure system is secure. Our allies and enemies are spying on us, and we them, and we know they can breach our firewalls. Snowden's revelations were probably met with a big shrug world wide. That doesn't mean the politicians will not use it to their advantage.

Military secrets are just one target, the big target is the international business community. The cold war is now an economic war. al Qaeda's end game was the destruction of our economic and in turn, our military capabilities. "They hate us for our freedom" was total bullshit. They hate us for our economic clout and the effect it has on their culture.

If you remember, at the end of the cold war GHW Bush shifted the focus away from military intel to spying on the international business community. Industrial espionage for the benefit of Corporate America is the real reason for our expanded spy agencies. I'd be willing to bet that much of the data collected is not individuals, but the business communities in our economic rivals. In business we have no allies, just enemies and potential enemies.


Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #1
I take it you are not a reader? Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #3
But think Jun 2013 #13
You could not have read the article TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #4
Company policy is to grab the first post and derail discussion. Marr Jun 2013 #32
Yes, that is the tactic. It's been failing badly recently. Skip Intro Jun 2013 #55
This is good to know... Rockyj Jun 2013 #90
It's easily smacked in the face. Just say what it is. sibelian Jun 2013 #94
+1 Zorra Jun 2013 #61
Exactly...........nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #71
OMG! Are you kidding me? Th1onein Jun 2013 #7
I see The Culture of Personality Apologists ... 99Forever Jun 2013 #11
Glad someone will be arround after church to clear up this NonSense. L0oniX Jun 2013 #50
Yup NonSense Android3.14 Jun 2013 #87
You put Evelyn Wood to shame Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #12
Ah if life were so honest and easy we wouldnt have to even think. Just relax, let our rhett o rick Jun 2013 #21
Then you didn't read the minimization document correctly. Pholus Jun 2013 #27
Please do not feed the trolls! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #31
Trolls are really important. Coyotl Jun 2013 #53
And the 24/7 media misinformation campaign is just as obvious. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #72
Like! Coyotl Jun 2013 #75
I guess those ads about "getting paid to surf the net" Myrina Jun 2013 #43
What's it like to be a rocket scientist? L0oniX Jun 2013 #44
It can secretly be used to put people on he White House's secret kill list MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #48
but what about Manny's secret kill list? sigmasix Jun 2013 #57
Obama's secret kill list was reported in the NY Times MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #58
Wake up! Enthusiast Jun 2013 #73
Tell that to Richard Nixon and the Republican National Committee. Coyotl Jun 2013 #52
Let me tell you how it's used. formercia Jun 2013 #59
Why did they do it to you? creeksneakers2 Jun 2013 #70
Because I went to the IG and told them about illegal activities. formercia Jun 2013 #85
Yep TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #78
This is one first hand account of how Mubarak did it in Egypt TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #79
And people sometimes wonder why politicians do strange things? Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #2
There are 3 books that might reveal more about this that I need to read... rwsanders Jun 2013 #36
Bookmarked rucky Jun 2013 #5
"now in the hands of 'the government' ..." mia Jun 2013 #6
Monsanto. n/t L0oniX Jun 2013 #45
Amway Octafish Jun 2013 #60
The Wall Street fraudsters. The rest are just their employees. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #74
NSA scandal, you did not add Snowden lied also, BTW, I am a speed reader. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #8
THANK YOU, TakeALeftTurn! A hearty kick and a thumping recommendation! Th1onein Jun 2013 #9
Thank you for the compliment TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #16
+1 think Jun 2013 #24
Amazing and comprehensive list...and all this we know thanks to Snowden and whistleblowers. dkf Jun 2013 #10
informative, frightening, vital post n/t Psephos Jun 2013 #14
Thank you for this treasure trove of links! Applause! n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #15
Nice compilation, TALT. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #17
Outstanding work and brilliant analysis. Octafish Jun 2013 #18
Kurt Eichenwald says different about Prism Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #19
interesting. thanks. allin99 Jun 2013 #63
Not surprising. That's a third link now that doesnt prove what the OP asserts it proves. stevenleser Jun 2013 #69
Garbage TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #77
I K&R for you, but I wouldn't expect much love here. DU is full of hugs and kisses for much of what silvershadow Jun 2013 #20
I would request that you add one further link (after you vet it HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #22
Ok I have added it TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #28
Your OP is amazingly well done. I don't have the patience for that HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #29
Thanks for all the work on this. Links are a great resource... KoKo Jun 2013 #23
That is why we are where we are Autumn Jun 2013 #25
Well done. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #26
Great job! This might fit that list too: think Jun 2013 #30
You forgot this one! ymetca Jun 2013 #33
Riiiiiight. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #40
Enjoy your stay. n/t L0oniX Jun 2013 #49
Some will remain blind nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #34
How long did Snowden work for the NSA? Herlong Jun 2013 #35
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #37
Good Post... Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #38
Throw more shit at wall, see what sticks Progressive dog Jun 2013 #39
thats quite a compilation.thank you..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #41
Half the storage capacity at the NSA SCVDem Jun 2013 #42
All I will say is that the Politburo in the US makes the Soviets malaise Jun 2013 #46
The real purpose is political control of the USA and global assets. Coyotl Jun 2013 #51
Don't forget poliutical campaigns of every kind and level. Coyotl Jun 2013 #54
Absolutely superb - thank you temmer Jun 2013 #56
Bookmarking. Thanks for the info resouce! Zorra Jun 2013 #62
NSA SamKnause Jun 2013 #64
But...but...Snowden had boxes in his garage, bvar22 Jun 2013 #65
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #66
Well Done - Thank You For The Contribution cantbeserious Jun 2013 #67
The first two links I clicked on did not factually prove what you say they did. stevenleser Jun 2013 #68
Yes they do TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #76
''The only thing that is new is that the world (and Congress) sits up and takes notice.'' DeSwiss Jun 2013 #80
K&R NealK Jun 2013 #81
TRUST US. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #82
kicked, bookmarked and recd! thank you! tex-wyo-dem Jun 2013 #83
Intriguing in a Da Vinci Code kind of way . . . ucrdem Jun 2013 #84
Nice work, and thanks nolabels Jun 2013 #86
Yeah but, but, but... RC Jun 2013 #88
Excellent post Oilwellian Jun 2013 #89
As a former member of an information gathering agency in the military, the ASA, alfredo Jun 2013 #91
I really appreciate the information you just provided dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #93
I have no doubt that those contractors are using their access for their own gain. They alfredo Jun 2013 #95
Wow that is a lot of info Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #92
kick temmer Jun 2013 #96
PSA: Visiting author from Infowars and the Daily Paul Liberty Forum ucrdem Jun 2013 #97
NSA spying scandal - the story so far. The real purpose is political blackmail NOT counter terror ProSense Jun 2013 #98
The bat has left the belfry. Skinner freed him. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #99
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