is a liveblog of Snowdens movements the biggest troll in history?

[Monkie]

16. your hate is showing through, gave to other nations, sold? newspapers are not nations

i have a news flash for you, your nationalistic jingoistic worldview belongs in the dark ages.
you trust your own newspapers as beacons of democracy, while they are owned by 1%-ers and arms corps like GE, but other countries news media are only mouthpieces of the state?
you have your own government presiding over the largest and most complete surveillance state this planet has ever seen but you dare judge the freedoms the chinese or russians have?
another news flash, how many illegal wars of aggression has china started this century, or russia for that matter?
the days of the US being able to judge other nations or preach about democracy are long gone.
one thing to remember, which i know is not easy, is that the laws of the US mean nothing to the rest of the world, all that matters is international law, the law of the land, and the international treaties that countries sign.

it is also obvious that you know NOTHING about the EU and its laws. NOTHING about the laws in the member states.
how can you make these claims without knowing ANYTHING about the law? it just makes you look like ignorant
it is so simple, YOU dont get to decide how Snowden is viewed by judges applying the laws of the member states of the EU.
you might THINK that when your politicians rant that other countries will ignore their laws, their court systems, international law to please you, but that is beyond wishful thinking its just delusional and borderline prejudiced.
one example is hong kong, how did it work out for the US there threatening them?
they just stuck a huge middle finger up at you and allowed snowden to leave, based on their laws.

even if the US produce a arrest warrant, accuse him of a crime, snowden has the opportunity to challenge that in a court of law in the country he is in, these judges are not paid to do the bidding of the US, they uphold their own laws and international law.
snowden can challenge the validity of the claims the US makes.
he can appeal to the laws all EU member states have that forbid extradition for crimes for which the death penalty can be sought.
he can also ask for asylum in any member state of the EU and claim that he is being prosecuted for political reasons.
many rouge states claim that the person they want to prosecute for political crimes is a thief or a murderer or any reason, and it is not up to the US to decide if that is true, it is for a independent judge to decide if that is so or not.
and the nice thing about the EU is, if he choses to fight extradition, or apply for asylum, which are two separate things, he can take those cases ALL the way up to the court of appeals of those member states, and THEN after exhausting that, he still has the european court of appeal left.
if snowden chose to stay in a EU country it could take YEARS before he is extradited, the UK had been trying to extradite a hate preacher, abu hamza, for almost 8 years before the final appeal was finished.
this abu hamza is blind and has no hands because a landmine blew them off in afghanistan, so i dont think stealing a couple of documents is going to get you snowden extradited any time fast.

one last news flash, europe has extremely strict privacy laws, laws on data-protection, and snowden's leaks have done the rule of law in the nation states a huge favour, this might be hard to understand if you are twisting yourself into knots trying to defend the NSA, but the nation states of europe have no great love of the NSA, they dont like their companies being spied on, their politicians, and if you spent just a few minutes a day looking out of that isolated bubble you appear to live in and actually paid attention to news that was not served up to you by your own 1% you might actually learn something about how the rest of the world works.