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Monkie

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38. maybe if you took the time to read, and replied to what i said, it would be easier to be civil
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jun 2013

if you look at the other conversation i am having, in this thread with the gentleman who is actually having a civil discussion with me my tone is totally different? and the same is so on other threads.
but you have been smearing and twisting and playing out your straw man fantasies for quite a while, even now you still will not actually address what i DO say, because that would mean actually looking at your own position and seeing the gaping holes in it.
and you are not the only one, now i like to think i am a patient man, but when you have a whole bushel of people going of on their fantasy trip to "reality town" where the US is the home of the free surrounded by evil commies and paulite conspirators then after a while of trying to speak about actual facts with them gets pretty tiring.
to start with i never said i thought HE would end up in gitmo, i said the US had plenty of practice renditioning considering all the years of kidnapping and holding people without trail at gitmo, two completely different things, things i expect a grown man to instantly understand.

now you want or expect me to predict with precision how long a court case with multiple appeals takes? doing that would be delusional, i gave you a concrete example of a real case that has only just concluded after 8 years, and that guy was a actual terrorist, so i think that gives you a pretty good baseline on how long it could take. if someone where to say that stealing a few documents to blow the whistle on criminality by google et al on a massive scale is espionage then i dont think its strange to suggest that the courts in the EU will be more willing to consider that favourably than a terrorist hate preacher, that i have to now repeat this fact to you for the third time maybe explains why i have so little patience for you.
you asked me specifically how the US could rendition snowden if he was flying in international airspace, this is a very stupid question to ask, you could of found the answer yourself in less time than it took you to type the nonsense you just did.
i answered by giving you the two closest points to the european mainland where i know there would be the possibility for the US to launch planes from. what is so strange about that.
and you mention acts of war, massive spying on the scale your government does is not pretty close to a act of war?
launching illegal drone strikes is not close to a act of war?
you speak about waste of fuel, more nonsense, snowden is blowing the whistle on a $80 billion a year snout-in-the-trough industry yet you talk about fuel waste?
you ask me why i speak to you the way you do?
you are the only person i am going to have to stop giving the benefit of having his own though processes and reflections, i just cant believe how anyone can be so willfully ignorant, i can only conclude you are doing this on purpose.
so in the end, if you dont like my tone, hit the alert button, and let others be the judge if what i say is reasonable or not, or you could try to respond with some intelligence and not use strawman attacks and other childish debating techniques that might impress children but only cause me to lose my patience with you.
simple or not?

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I'm not sure what you're saying here. cali Jun 2013 #1
i'm saying it is confusing, but the US has a history of rendition and kidnapping and torture Monkie Jun 2013 #3
I don't think the U.S. could possibly get away with blowing up a plane cali Jun 2013 #4
in international airspace it would be easy to force his plane to US soil Monkie Jun 2013 #7
nah. the U.S. will not force a plane carrying Snowden to land in the U.S. cali Jun 2013 #10
what is your reasoning for claiming they wont force the plane to the USA? Monkie Jun 2013 #12
"We" aren't doing the raw reporting here--the Russians are. MADem Jun 2013 #6
so thats my first prediction right or not?so this was a troll Monkie Jun 2013 #40
stupid JI7 Jun 2013 #2
He's not going to the EU. He'd be arrested on sight. MADem Jun 2013 #5
all EU nations have exceptions in their law for political prisoners and in asylum cases Monkie Jun 2013 #8
He'd be arrested on sight. He's not safe in Europe. MADem Jun 2013 #9
based on what knowledge of the EU and EU law and the laws of member states Monkie Jun 2013 #13
Because they wouldn't regard him as a "political prisoner," they'd regard him as a thief, at minimum MADem Jun 2013 #15
your hate is showing through, gave to other nations, sold? newspapers are not nations Monkie Jun 2013 #16
Why, listen to you! Temper, temper! MADem Jun 2013 #17
way to completely ignore and miss every point i make, clever. Monkie Jun 2013 #18
And yet, you persist with more "loaded" language. MADem Jun 2013 #23
i gave them here already? Monkie Jun 2013 #27
I want to memorialize this, so I'll make myself a copy. MADem Jun 2013 #29
of course you can keep being willfully ignorant, im used to it by now Monkie Jun 2013 #32
Again with the gratuitous insults--like they make you a tough guy, or "right." MADem Jun 2013 #34
maybe if you took the time to read, and replied to what i said, it would be easier to be civil Monkie Jun 2013 #38
I do take the time to read every uncapitalized word and run-together paragraph you write. MADem Jun 2013 #39
Safe in Europe? Not. cali Jun 2013 #11
he exposed massive criminality by google and yahoo and microsoft Monkie Jun 2013 #14
Let me offer something else nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #19
that is a excellent topic indeed Monkie Jun 2013 #21
He'll be in US custody before the Stanley Cup is settled alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #20
if he leaves russia but does not go to the EU i wouldnt dare wager with you Monkie Jun 2013 #22
Safer betting on the cray Stanley Cup alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #24
he is in international "space" without documentation Monkie Jun 2013 #25
The main point is that no state apparatus on Earth has any abiding interest in harboring him alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #28
i have said this before, the EU has really good reasons for giving him asylum Monkie Jun 2013 #30
No EU country will risk any conflict with State over this alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #31
you can chose to believe that, but it is just a belief unless you can give some more concrete Monkie Jun 2013 #33
The good thing about this is that we get to see how it plays out alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #35
Hahaha. Which year? morningfog Jun 2013 #36
We shall see alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #37
Too bad we didn't have money on it. I'd go double or nothing he still won't be in custody morningfog Jun 2013 #41
I saw someone pass the Cup to Snowden Union Scribe Jun 2013 #42
Thought for sure it would go to Game 7 alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #44
Game 7 would have been three days ago. morningfog Jun 2013 #45
Lucky for me I didn't bet alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #47
I love it! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #26
Yes, he was... SidDithers Jun 2013 #43
"...while the most powerful nation in the world can only watch in humiliation." Scurrilous Jun 2013 #46
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