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22. All that would matter is what the media and voters thought

Reply to Romulus Quirinus (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:53 PM

Jun 2013

and they would be likely to think taking these measures had made us susceptible to the attack.

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For argument's sake, let's say Obama closed Gitmo, ended the drone program, ended the NSA program [View all] Yavin4 Jun 2013 OP

How about we start by supporting the bipartisan bill introduced by 8 senators to curb secret law" think Jun 2013 #1

That would be a good first step nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6

YES!! YES!! YES!!!!!! All these people who are pissed off at Obama for NSA leaks... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #49

Ok, so let me get this straight... im1013 Jun 2013 #2

Mis-characterization of my OP n/t Yavin4 Jun 2013 #3

Nope, it's a damn good summarisation of your OP. idwiyo Jun 2013 #16

Yup, that's pretty much where they are nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #5

You don't read well. Please re-read the OP's post. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #50

That would make perfect sense Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #4

Not saying that it does Yavin4 Jun 2013 #8

So you're saying that we should kill citizens of other countries and put the lives of ours Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #11

No. I'm saying political realities are what they are Yavin4 Jun 2013 #15

:/ nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #17

Right. It's OK to run a torture prison, execute people on a win, spy on everyone because otherwise idwiyo Jun 2013 #21

Republicans demogogue every issue AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #33

Fear of political loss as an argument to keep a morally bankrupt status quo think Jun 2013 #13

Why is up to "bold leadership"? Shouldn't the people demand it? Yavin4 Jun 2013 #14

What are we demanding? If you mean the people should demand the govt follow the law think Jun 2013 #20

It's up to the people to demand it from their leaders Yavin4 Jun 2013 #26

it was called occupy think Jun 2013 #28

"was" - past tense n/t Yavin4 Jun 2013 #30

Thanks to the corporations and private NSA contractors think Jun 2013 #32

We voted twice to end this shit LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #31

All that would matter is what the media and voters thought pnwmom Jun 2013 #22

If what you believe is true, then we are well and truly fucked. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #24

Much better media and people think how damn incompetent the government is because idwiyo Jun 2013 #29

But it polls well, man! Think of the POLLS! nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #46

:) idwiyo Jun 2013 #47

... that's grotesque. sibelian Jun 2013 #7

I don't think that way. Yavin4 Jun 2013 #9

It is not always about politics Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #19

It's your OPINION of what you THINK political reality is. idwiyo Jun 2013 #23

Perhaps I missed it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10

+1 idwiyo Jun 2013 #25

On gitmo, zero consequences bhikkhu Jun 2013 #12

I don't know. Neither do you. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #18

Why is it up to the "leader"? Where are the people? Yavin4 Jun 2013 #35

I'm sorry, where did I say "we're not blind followers"? Make sure you link, lest it seem Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #37

Maybe not you, but there have several posts about "Obama-bots" or "blind followers", etc. Yavin4 Jun 2013 #40

They are called the leaders for some good reason - they lead! -- n/t mazzarro Jun 2013 #51

So we have to implement Republican policies AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #27

Ending wars would be a great first step and a great excuse to scale it back. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #34

Moral, ethical, or political Savannahmann Jun 2013 #36

Lets say he continued all of those practices... NCTraveler Jun 2013 #38

Oh wait....damn. morningfog Jun 2013 #42

Well 911 didn't hurt Bush usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #39

By all means let's keep torturing, killing innocents and violating civil liberties because we are morningfog Jun 2013 #41

What happens when the "the big bad republies" gain power? Yavin4 Jun 2013 #43

Glenn Greenwald would still find an excuse to portray Obama as the next Hitler. baldguy Jun 2013 #44

id suppport it drhobo Jun 2013 #45

DU, liberal and conservative commentators and the bloggosphere will STILL blame Obama Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #48

Aww, do you need some Kleenex?! bigwillq Jun 2013 #54

Not really. But thanks for the offer. ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #56

Oh don't talk sense Hekate Jun 2013 #52

More kids going hungry, more student debt, lower wages, eliminated healthcare... gulliver Jun 2013 #53

I suppose it is better to have a party that supports a militaristic authoritarian state that wins Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #55