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randome

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85. Do you give drugs to your children?

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:30 PM

Feb 2012

Decriminalize, yes. Legalize, no.

Advocating the government take a hands off approach ignores the long history of government programs and laws that protect us from unsafe drinking water, unsafe food, flying, etc.

You just want to rationalize your own need for drugs.

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If drugs remain illegal - this is what you get (WARNING: Extremely graphic pic) [View all] Taverner Feb 2012 OP

Yikes... midnight Feb 2012 #1

Do you have a link? meegbear Feb 2012 #2

Just google "krokodil" redqueen Feb 2012 #9

Gah, Russia just makes me sad. Brickbat Feb 2012 #3

YIKES!!! Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #4

Omg! HappyMe Feb 2012 #5

I wonder if they publicize this in Russia? Show these as public service announcements? kittykitty Feb 2012 #6

Anybody understand Russian? Upton Feb 2012 #7

Though I agree with your assessment of the legatilities, etc., these drugs Lionessa Feb 2012 #8

photoshop? librechik Feb 2012 #10

Sadly, they aren't. redqueen Feb 2012 #11

oh my. librechik Feb 2012 #13

It's worth noting that codeine is OTC in Russia and several other countries. lapislzi Feb 2012 #14

That's a slippery slope argument for regulating OTC codeine though. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #29

Oh, I quite agree. lapislzi Feb 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Occupy_2012 Feb 2012 #24

That is sad and Newest Reality Feb 2012 #12

+100 Taverner Feb 2012 #17

So, if Krokodil is legal it will be safe? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #22

The workable solution is methadone clinics. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #110

I thought methadone was just as bad, and its a green like syrup which rots the teeth. MichaelMcGuire Feb 2012 #116

Methadone is used to treat addiction in that it eases withdrawal symptoms... backscatter712 Feb 2012 #138

agreed althou it not without its problems MichaelMcGuire Feb 2012 #160

Fair enough. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #162

Just to be clear when I meant "just as bad" I mean heroin MichaelMcGuire Feb 2012 #166

No, if pharm grade HEROIN and MORPHINE are legal, krokodil goes away Taverner Feb 2012 #123

I prefer methadone as a harm-reduction solution. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #141

But methadone will not get the user "high" Taverner Feb 2012 #145

After a while of building tolerance, heroin won't get you high either. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #149

The krokodil prototype was synthesized in a lab lapislzi Feb 2012 #168

The question is whether it's the desomorphine itself that's causing the damage... backscatter712 Feb 2012 #163

Darn, ya beat me to it. lapislzi Feb 2012 #169

Yes, polly7 Feb 2012 #177

You could argue (I won't) that krokodil is the evil stepchild of a legal drug. lapislzi Feb 2012 #171

I hope libtodeath Feb 2012 #15

Where did that come from? Are you suggesting they make heroin legal in response? usregimechange Feb 2012 #16

Yes, yes I am Taverner Feb 2012 #18

Compared to what? If you make it legal no one will do it, like alcohol or tobacco? usregimechange Feb 2012 #25

Are you over-simplifying legalization, perhaps? The taxes alone could fund authentic patrice Feb 2012 #23

We aren't talking about cannabis here, legalizing something like that would have major... usregimechange Feb 2012 #26

I believe OP is about other types of legalization. And the word "addiction" does not apply to patrice Feb 2012 #32

And if you're referring to "psychological addiction" well, then, the fact that it IS psychological patrice Feb 2012 #33

We could adopt the Swiss model SOS Feb 2012 #144

I would support this. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #150

Not illogical or ridiculous at all. Webster Green Feb 2012 #35

"Heroin is not really that dangerous." Sparkly Feb 2012 #41

Drugs like Heroin, Meth and Crack - you develop a tolerance LynneSin Feb 2012 #131

OMG... I am forever tainted by those pictures fascisthunter Feb 2012 #19

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #20

Ho-leee Crap! Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #21

You said it. glinda Feb 2012 #109

holy mother of mercy... WillyT Feb 2012 #27

What is the point of posting these images? randome Feb 2012 #28

Spot on! FrodosPet Feb 2012 #34

That is so absurd. Webster Green Feb 2012 #36

You think people who behead other people just to make a point... randome Feb 2012 #39

OK Webster Green Feb 2012 #40

I'm not grasping at anything. randome Feb 2012 #43

I take it you support alchohol prohibition, too? markpkessinger Feb 2012 #48

You could have read my last paragraph, you know. randome Feb 2012 #51

All we would do is move it from one cartel to another (Big Pharma) LynneSin Feb 2012 #132

Good point. Webster Green Feb 2012 #172

^Agree. ^ The photos bother me but... Mimosa Feb 2012 #170

Well, I did warn you... Taverner Feb 2012 #125

Images are information Demstud Feb 2012 #127

What's just as disturbing is that there are certain illegal, Schedule I "drugs"... drokhole Feb 2012 #30

Heroin is not a safe product. chrisa Feb 2012 #31

Oh, bullshit. Webster Green Feb 2012 #37

"It's quite nice actually." Sparkly Feb 2012 #42

I don't need to. Webster Green Feb 2012 #44

"It took me years to get them trained up so good though." randome Feb 2012 #47

Think whatever you like. Webster Green Feb 2012 #53

You're taking Morphine, Oxys and Valium? Sparkly Feb 2012 #58

Don't feel sorry for me. Save it for those who need pain meds and can't get them. Webster Green Feb 2012 #114

I prefer propofol. Legalize it! nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #118

I know exactly what you mean Taverner Feb 2012 #126

Brainwashed by people like Allen Ginsberg? RZM Feb 2012 #148

An addict will tell you that it is indeed the nicest thing in the world Tom Ripley Feb 2012 #52

Bingo! Webster Green Feb 2012 #55

An addict will say that because they are an addict chrisa Feb 2012 #65

Well, of course they would, that's my point Tom Ripley Feb 2012 #69

Apples and oranges. The two can't even be compared. chrisa Feb 2012 #73

Oh, they can be compared, but you are unwilling to do so Tom Ripley Feb 2012 #80

Yeah, because an addict is only an addict... randome Feb 2012 #76

Huh? (it appears that indignation may be overtaking clarity) Tom Ripley Feb 2012 #81

ZING!!!!! Taverner Feb 2012 #128

Sure, they'll steal, they'll commit fraud, whatever. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #135

'Cause dehumanizing rhetoric is so helpful Scootaloo Feb 2012 #154

The criminality makes it worse. Sparkly Feb 2012 #67

Some junkies love the activity surrounding illegal drugs.... Zookeeper Feb 2012 #175

"It's quite nice" Have you ever known a heroin addict? chrisa Feb 2012 #45

I've know plenty of them. I've been one. Webster Green Feb 2012 #49

You know it's bad stuff deep down. You're excusing the drug. chrisa Feb 2012 #54

That is false Webster Green Feb 2012 #59

Where are you going, Erowid?? Sparkly Feb 2012 #64

Erowid is a good site JonLP24 Feb 2012 #106

I call bullshit. Sparkly Feb 2012 #60

You would be wrong. Webster Green Feb 2012 #72

This is not about stereotypes. Sparkly Feb 2012 #87

I'm 65 on Wed. Webster Green Feb 2012 #95

Sorry, no. Sparkly Feb 2012 #97

I used heroin, also lots of painkiller pills and LSD, and yes, I realize that acid is not an opiate. Webster Green Feb 2012 #100

I'm sorry, but to me you might as well be saying you're a pink elephant with purple spots. Sparkly Feb 2012 #102

Sparkly...I have to jump in here. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2012 #152

Opiates show great promise for treating depression Cetacea Feb 2012 #112

Nothing quite like driving a school bus on opiates. My day flies by. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #119

You beat me too it. Webster Green Feb 2012 #173

The ones who look like they are dying are using the black tar variety Taverner Feb 2012 #129

You scare the shit out of me. Pot is fucking safe. Heroin is not. Logical Feb 2012 #46

It is fairly safe if you know your tolerance and you know the dose you are getting. Webster Green Feb 2012 #50

I love it when people like you think every damn drug invented should be 100%.... Logical Feb 2012 #56

Well, there are downsides to many things Tom Ripley Feb 2012 #57

Don't forget... randome Feb 2012 #62

WTF are you talking about? Crack = Love? Logical Feb 2012 #66

I assume you just randomly picked your user name Tom Ripley Feb 2012 #75

No, I assume you do not know what logical means. Logical Feb 2012 #88

I didn't say that. Webster Green Feb 2012 #61

No children, I take it. randome Feb 2012 #63

I'm actually shocked that it took 62 posts before the inevitable WSTATC???!!! Tom Ripley Feb 2012 #78

It's a perfectly valid point that someone with children... randome Feb 2012 #82

OMG! How lame! Webster Green Feb 2012 #79

Do you give drugs to your children? randome Feb 2012 #85

+1000000. nt riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #90

"You just want to rationalize your own need for drugs." Webster Green Feb 2012 #96

If you want to lower sentences, I am all in favor of what you are saying..... Logical Feb 2012 #68

Decriminalize, yes. Legalize, no. randome Feb 2012 #70

xanax works great for anxiety. LisaL Feb 2012 #74

And if you don't? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #77

That is exactly the problem that legalization would remove. Webster Green Feb 2012 #84

You said it yourself. randome Feb 2012 #86

Wow! Totally clueless. Webster Green Feb 2012 #98

Portugal did NOT legalize drugs! FrodosPet Feb 2012 #107

Can you not read very well? randome Feb 2012 #115

There's no way bathtub gin competes with mass produced tanqueray... Taverner Feb 2012 #130

After reading your numerous posts on this issue, for what it's worth,.. BlueJazz Feb 2012 #99

So it WILL be affordable? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #103

Pharmaceutical grade heroin administered in controlled doses is quite safe, actually. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #137

I can support legal injection clinics for heroin addicts. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #151

I will agree pot is safe, but do you have any data showing heroin is dangerous Taverner Feb 2012 #147

I simply do not follow your argument. LisaL Feb 2012 #71

They can get Bayer Heroin over the counter Taverner Feb 2012 #83

They get legal stuff over the counter LisaL Feb 2012 #89

Being addicted is really not that big of a deal until you run out. Webster Green Feb 2012 #108

So true Cetacea Feb 2012 #111

Why didn't you just buy him some heroin? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #120

Because the OTC version would be cheaper, safer and more exact Taverner Feb 2012 #117

Depends on how much cheaper the homemade variety is. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #121

Hard to compete with mass production Taverner Feb 2012 #122

My homemade bread is cheaper than store-bought. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #134

But if you were to sell it it wouldn't be Taverner Feb 2012 #146

But why would I buy it when I can make my own more cheaply? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #153

No it doesn't give you a more intense high! Taverner Feb 2012 #155

I've read varying accounts. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #156

If it were OTC, and sold for what it would cost to make in a lab... Taverner Feb 2012 #157

Hard to beat £2 per vial Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #159

Benadryl is intended to help you. chrisa Feb 2012 #158

What do you take, OTC, for emotional pain? Taverner Feb 2012 #165

Nothing. You take anti-depressants for depression, chrisa Feb 2012 #167

There's a difference between decriminalizing, and legalizing. riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #91

Thank you for this!! Sparkly Feb 2012 #92

That was the thread that got me thinking more about the differences between the two. randome Feb 2012 #93

There's a reason why our government has funded methadone clinics. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #104

OMG, my eyes! Odin2005 Feb 2012 #94

How can you have BONE exposed like that and not be dead of gangrene? backscatter712 Feb 2012 #101

I wondered the same thing. Webster Green Feb 2012 #105

I imagine the ones with those kind of wounds would eventually die. LisaL Feb 2012 #113

Any doctor looking at that would order immediate amputation. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #142

Yeah, 'cause Xanax and a warm bath are both legal and safer. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Feb 2012 #133

The goal is harm reduction. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #139

Anybody actually bother to read this? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #136

Essentially like cooking meth. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #143

Russia desperately needs some methadone clinics. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #140

O M G...I knew I shouldn't have opened this post, NorthCarolina Feb 2012 #161

No, sadly they are not Taverner Feb 2012 #164

lets legalize it all for children, teens and adults NotThisTime Feb 2012 #174

Dude should rent himself out for Halloween. MrSlayer Feb 2012 #176

Don't legalize it... phase it out wmcgrath0315 Mar 2012 #178