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Douglas Carpenter

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55. I suppose it is better to have a party that supports a militaristic authoritarian state that wins

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:31 PM

Jun 2013

than as party that stands for freedom, justice and the constitution that might possibly under the wrong scenario loose.

Of course we could still loose even if we support a militaristic, authoritarian state. But, what's so great about freedom and independence anyway?

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For argument's sake, let's say Obama closed Gitmo, ended the drone program, ended the NSA program [View all] Yavin4 Jun 2013 OP

How about we start by supporting the bipartisan bill introduced by 8 senators to curb secret law" think Jun 2013 #1

That would be a good first step nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6

YES!! YES!! YES!!!!!! All these people who are pissed off at Obama for NSA leaks... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #49

Ok, so let me get this straight... im1013 Jun 2013 #2

Mis-characterization of my OP n/t Yavin4 Jun 2013 #3

Nope, it's a damn good summarisation of your OP. idwiyo Jun 2013 #16

Yup, that's pretty much where they are nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #5

You don't read well. Please re-read the OP's post. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #50

That would make perfect sense Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #4

Not saying that it does Yavin4 Jun 2013 #8

So you're saying that we should kill citizens of other countries and put the lives of ours Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #11

No. I'm saying political realities are what they are Yavin4 Jun 2013 #15

:/ nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #17

Right. It's OK to run a torture prison, execute people on a win, spy on everyone because otherwise idwiyo Jun 2013 #21

Republicans demogogue every issue AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #33

Fear of political loss as an argument to keep a morally bankrupt status quo think Jun 2013 #13

Why is up to "bold leadership"? Shouldn't the people demand it? Yavin4 Jun 2013 #14

What are we demanding? If you mean the people should demand the govt follow the law think Jun 2013 #20

It's up to the people to demand it from their leaders Yavin4 Jun 2013 #26

it was called occupy think Jun 2013 #28

"was" - past tense n/t Yavin4 Jun 2013 #30

Thanks to the corporations and private NSA contractors think Jun 2013 #32

We voted twice to end this shit LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #31

All that would matter is what the media and voters thought pnwmom Jun 2013 #22

If what you believe is true, then we are well and truly fucked. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #24

Much better media and people think how damn incompetent the government is because idwiyo Jun 2013 #29

But it polls well, man! Think of the POLLS! nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #46

:) idwiyo Jun 2013 #47

... that's grotesque. sibelian Jun 2013 #7

I don't think that way. Yavin4 Jun 2013 #9

It is not always about politics Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #19

It's your OPINION of what you THINK political reality is. idwiyo Jun 2013 #23

Perhaps I missed it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10

+1 idwiyo Jun 2013 #25

On gitmo, zero consequences bhikkhu Jun 2013 #12

I don't know. Neither do you. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #18

Why is it up to the "leader"? Where are the people? Yavin4 Jun 2013 #35

I'm sorry, where did I say "we're not blind followers"? Make sure you link, lest it seem Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #37

Maybe not you, but there have several posts about "Obama-bots" or "blind followers", etc. Yavin4 Jun 2013 #40

They are called the leaders for some good reason - they lead! -- n/t mazzarro Jun 2013 #51

So we have to implement Republican policies AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #27

Ending wars would be a great first step and a great excuse to scale it back. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #34

Moral, ethical, or political Savannahmann Jun 2013 #36

Lets say he continued all of those practices... NCTraveler Jun 2013 #38

Oh wait....damn. morningfog Jun 2013 #42

Well 911 didn't hurt Bush usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #39

By all means let's keep torturing, killing innocents and violating civil liberties because we are morningfog Jun 2013 #41

What happens when the "the big bad republies" gain power? Yavin4 Jun 2013 #43

Glenn Greenwald would still find an excuse to portray Obama as the next Hitler. baldguy Jun 2013 #44

id suppport it drhobo Jun 2013 #45

DU, liberal and conservative commentators and the bloggosphere will STILL blame Obama Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #48

Aww, do you need some Kleenex?! bigwillq Jun 2013 #54

Not really. But thanks for the offer. ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #56

Oh don't talk sense Hekate Jun 2013 #52

More kids going hungry, more student debt, lower wages, eliminated healthcare... gulliver Jun 2013 #53

I suppose it is better to have a party that supports a militaristic authoritarian state that wins Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #55