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Dawgs

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13. You're just making shit up and pretending that it's based on stuff we already know.

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:33 PM

Jun 2013

It's like me saying that Martin had a crush on Zimmerman and their wild embrace on the grass just got a little out of hand.

It's made up bullshit that isn't based on anything factual. Just like your scenario.

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Here's my problem. Can someone explain why Martin would attack Z if Z was doing nothing wrong? [View all] Dawgs Jun 2013 OP

I'm sure the gun republicans will come up with something Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #1

They did. They said he did it because he was black. Scuba Jun 2013 #12

he wouldn't Skittles Jun 2013 #2

I strongly doubt that Martin knew that Zimmerman had a weapon customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #106

Zimmerman is an utter coward - of course he brandished the weapon Skittles Jun 2013 #107

If that had been done prior to the fistfight customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #109

I believe it was an instinctive self-preservation move Skittles Jun 2013 #110

That just doesn't make sense to me customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #112

that doesn't make sense to me Skittles Jun 2013 #114

You can't possibly know that demwing Jul 2013 #130

I've been jumped and beaten for absolutely no reason. RichardPatrick Jun 2013 #3

No you weren't. n/t Dawgs Jun 2013 #5

You know this how? NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #20

Interesting you call me classless then yourself assume someone that is completely wrong. n/t Dawgs Jun 2013 #24

There is no basis for believing any personal claims on the internet treestar Jun 2013 #29

So you believe that people randomly beating up strangers is a common occurrence DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #30

How many stories have we seen over the past few years... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #88

That usually occurs in groups or packs where one miscreant tries to impress the other miscreant(s) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #90

if i understand dawgs, i agree. u were attacked for a reason, u just don't know what it was. ellenfl Jun 2013 #42

Uh, that's exactly what the poster said. Posteritatis Jun 2013 #58

Were you stalking the person? pnwmom Jun 2013 #6

No, I was walking home after getting off of the bus. RichardPatrick Jun 2013 #14

that sorta reminded me of a time I was "jumped" hfojvt Jun 2013 #22

Sorry, but you just proved me right. Dawgs Jun 2013 #25

And mercuryblues Jun 2013 #66

That happened to me before. bravenak Jun 2013 #115

None of that is remotely similar to the Zimmerman/Trayvon sitaution. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #124

Actually, your story reminded me more of Trayvon's, pnwmom Jul 2013 #129

Would you blame him if he threw the first punch? yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #122

So you're just like Trayvon Just Saying Jun 2013 #7

I love that story. Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #16

I'd ask for a divorce. TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #39

Tell us more... bravenak Jun 2013 #113

Maybe similar reasons to why Zimmerman may have? Recursion Jun 2013 #4

Guilty with no proof then? Dawgs Jun 2013 #8

If hordes of DUers were claiming they "knew" that, I would argue with them, too Recursion Jun 2013 #11

You're just making shit up and pretending that it's based on stuff we already know. Dawgs Jun 2013 #13

Except there's no evidence whatsoever Just Saying Jun 2013 #9

except why was he unable to get away? hfojvt Jun 2013 #23

Still not a reason to be gunned down. n/t Dawgs Jun 2013 #28

I would say that a person has a right to defend himself from an assault hfojvt Jun 2013 #54

Nice story, there may be no evidence to back it up but I am sure racist murder supporters love it Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #31

is there evidence to back up the racism? hfojvt Jun 2013 #45

Our country has a long ugly history of racism Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #60

Here you go then hfojvt Jun 2013 #67

Not one of those links shows any evidence that the killers had lots of supporters Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #68

there sure is a ton of time for this one hfojvt Jun 2013 #72

Zimmerman is not getting lynched he is facing a trial Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #73

press them hard enough and they always give themselves away, B A Skittles Jul 2013 #118

LOL Skittles Jul 2013 #117

thank you so much, old friend hfojvt Jul 2013 #125

I pretend to know what things are all about also... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #131

if the "Trayvon story" was EVER about justice Skittles Jul 2013 #132

Really? Because I do not worry about my true character being accurately illustrated hfojvt Jul 2013 #136

Evidence proves most of your story wrong. Just Saying Jun 2013 #41

the friend on the phone is not really evidence hfojvt Jun 2013 #52

However you seem to miss something... DaDeacon Jun 2013 #80

Actually Just Saying Jun 2013 #108

You missed part of the testimony brush Jun 2013 #83

That makes sense given the diagram that was posted the other day davidpdx Jul 2013 #121

that is the defense's job Enrique Jun 2013 #10

This Doesn't Exactly Answer The Question Asked... BUT ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #36

I hope your thoughtful point of view is shared Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #46

Being rational about the Zimmerman case will only get you into trouble. Vattel Jun 2013 #77

Claiming to have the only rational perspective might as well. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #128

I agree Vattel Jul 2013 #133

Because black kid. Q.E.D. Once you cut through the crap... JHB Jun 2013 #15

In my world, it's unclear how it could have gone past words. Igel Jun 2013 #17

In reality, GW didn't pull up in his car, Just Saying Jun 2013 #44

++ Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #47

+1! Incitatus Jun 2013 #81

What does a "low SES kid" mean? PotatoChip Jun 2013 #57

SES = "Socio-Economic Status", I believe... petronius Jun 2013 #78

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks! (nt) PotatoChip Jun 2013 #79

Or low self esteem brush Jun 2013 #86

Overall a good analysis imho Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #74

Possible reasons.... Pelican Jun 2013 #18

Would make sense if Zimmerman didn't have a gun. n/t Dawgs Jun 2013 #26

I haven't seen anything that indicates... Pelican Jun 2013 #33

Now one knows what was running through Trayvon's mind. His lasts thoughts lumpy Jun 2013 #56

Not sure if serious .. but oh well... Pelican Jun 2013 #111

Well, you know how sports fans are. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #19

By their reasoning - his race. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #21

He attacked him because he was doing racial profiling, it is that simple. It was racial still_one Jun 2013 #27

Whereas executing a total stranger makes perfect sense to you? cthulu2016 Jun 2013 #32

Apparently Zimmrman was fightened because Martin was resisting his lumpy Jun 2013 #59

Martin wasn't a man but a teenager just turned 17 brush Jun 2013 #87

Wake up. Get gun. Load gun. Go hunting. See prey. Shoot to kill. End of story. 1st degree murder graham4anything Jun 2013 #34

Which is why he called the police, gave them his exact location, B2G Jun 2013 #37

and got away with it. (except for Trayvon's parents & Al Sharpton who got this to trial). graham4anything Jun 2013 #49

This doesn't qualify as 1st degree OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #119

Obviously Zimmerman was the pursuer in spite of being advised to not continue lumpy Jun 2013 #61

I keep reading you think this is 1st degree but am curious Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #48

Rationalize much? RGR375 Jul 2013 #134

Isn't it likely that it started as a verbal argument then escalated? Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #35

Well, they see all black males as thugs and criminals and so they kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #38

imo, he was standing his ground against an aggressor. eom ellenfl Jun 2013 #40

Knockout Game korak Jun 2013 #43

Maybe, but still doesn't make sense for someone buying snacks and walking back home. Dawgs Jun 2013 #51

No just no.. DaDeacon Jun 2013 #84

Yeah, while he was on the phone with his friend brush Jun 2013 #89

If you believe any of the witnesses... Sancho Jun 2013 #50

Agree. Zimmerman, quite likely attempted to arrest Martin and met with resistence. lumpy Jun 2013 #63

Many here are upset Martin was being followed and justifies Martin confronting him for that. dkf Jun 2013 #53

Was there any witnesses to any fighting or an attack on Zimmerman previous to lumpy Jun 2013 #62

This is disputed... Sancho Jun 2013 #65

Who was on top is disputed, but no one saw them go to the ground Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #69

No one appears to have seen the shooting though 3 or 4 heard it... Sancho Jun 2013 #70

The female witness saw 2 figures on the ground, 1 on top straddling the other. lumpy Jun 2013 #71

If their forensics can't determine who was on top then they need a new ME. dkf Jul 2013 #126

DISRESPECT grok Jun 2013 #55

Zimmer appointed himself the sphincter police. AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #64

Maybe he got pissed that some "creepy-ass cracker" had been following him. Vattel Jun 2013 #75

'cause he's a young black man out at night? BootinUp Jun 2013 #76

Don't believe the hype. Ol' zimmy was the attacker brush Jun 2013 #82

To the OP JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #85

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #91

That is a complete and total right-wing lie intended to smear the victim Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #92

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #93

THANK YOU JURORS. uppityperson Jun 2013 #95

What a surprise that you would cite Rupert Murdoch's right-wing Daily Mail, Fox News in print Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #96

People are jumped for no reason all the time, but I've honestly never heard of one person Marr Jun 2013 #94

Martin was likely pissed that Z was following him Azathoth Jun 2013 #97

Too bad testimony so far has not said anything like that, isn't it? uppityperson Jun 2013 #98

Man, you really gotta work on your quips Azathoth Jun 2013 #99

Ayup, we have very different views on this. uppityperson Jun 2013 #100

Whoops. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #102

Say wha? Azathoth Jun 2013 #103

Let me help. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #104

lol, alright Azathoth Jun 2013 #105

Hyperbole is your best friend. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #116

The well-reasoned arguments continue. Thanks so much! K&R!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #101

Z was acting suspicious, what with following M and carrying a gun. Deep13 Jul 2013 #120

Obviously Travon felt threatened. Ganja Ninja Jul 2013 #123

Perceived threat RGR375 Jul 2013 #135

I think he was once smoked a joint. Inhaled, even! Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #127