Here's my problem. Can someone explain why Martin would attack Z if Z was doing nothing wrong?

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44. In reality, GW didn't pull up in his car,

He was following a kid in the dark, in the rain. He didn't pull up as of to ask directions and even if he had, I hope my kids, like Trayvon, would run. Trayvon was right, it was creepy.

I won't claim to be an expert on black males as you seem to be doing but most of your story doesn't apply anyway. Tray on wasn't with his peers, he was alone. I doubt he tought of his day's fiancé 's place as "his turf." And even if he did, he had stopped running at that point and according to testimony, thought he lost the "creepy cracker" and was safe as he was close to where he was staying.

Moreover, when followed, instead of doing the proper thing like answering a question, he ran. He must be guilty. So GZ gets out and chases him. No evidence he tries or has the chance to ask any questions. Run first. He loses TM and finds him a few minutes later either strolling along or standing there, talking on the phone.

Proper in what world? He didn't owe GZ anything. Tray on didn't have to answer this cop-wannabes questions! And again if its my kids I say RUN. The guy was weird and they have no idea his intentions.

"Kidnapper" or "child molester" is probably way down on the list of worries

How could you possibly know that? He could have thought and more like he was going to be robbed. When a creepy guy is following you our children are taught to get away. You know "stranger danger"?

And everything's back to wobbly. There's no reason to tackle TM if he's just standing there. Not much more of one if he's leisurely walking. Even an out-of-breath overweight power-mad Neighborhood Watch guy knows he has to do one of a small number of things. Call the police to report location. Get information. Catch his breath.

It's a nice caricature to think that GZ went out hunting black youth and managed to bag himself one for his wall. That's what a lot of the posts here amount to saying. Make GZ out to be a kind of devil and TM to be a kind of saint. After all, TM had every right to be where he was.

It's a nice caricature to assume that TM was just walking along and because he was followed felt threatened enough to jump GZ. GZ had no business being there, but he had every right to be there. We say that about TM at the beginning, and it holds for both of them in both locations.

He had no real reason to follow Trayvon either but since his mind set was that fucking punks always get away its not such a leap. Nice to color Z as overweight and all that but he was much thinner during the incident and working out several times a week. Although he did have about a 40 pound weight advantage on Trayvon.

Caricature? Really? When you use words like "turf" ans low SES when discussing Trayvon. Trayvon doesn't have to be a saint to assume he can walk to where he's staying without being gunned down.

I'm not even going to get into the rest of your looooomg post but just to wrap up, we all live in the same world and it shouldn't be okay to chase down and shoot an unarmed kid.