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73. Good post. It is about a 'system' change. What we've doing wrong is

Wed Feb 15, 2012, 04:10 PM

Feb 2012

trying to work within a system that is so corrupt that even when we 'win' we are merely either putting a quick band-aid on what went before which does nothing to change anything, or worse, pro-longing and strengthening the system that is the real reason why things never seem to change for the benefit of the people.

But in just a few months OWS has done more to raise the consciousness of the people to the root causes of the problems they knew existed but could not always identify.

When the people lead, the leaders will follow. We have been following, OWS has presented an opportunity for us to lead. Sincere politicians will take that opportunity, and some have.

I am glad to hear about LA's success.

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On OWS and the Democratic Party [View all] nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 OP

I was at a moveon party, viewing Inside Job, and asked about cooperation between the two. WingDinger Feb 2012 #1

They have no leaders and they have leaders nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #4

What if you don't OWS but just want it to turn activism into practical political results? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #2

Tell me why were pretty active members of Occupy inside the hall nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #3

Why would there not be? MineralMan Feb 2012 #7

"Serious question, to which I expect a non serious answer." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #8

Since I did apologize and you have no reason nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #19

The only hate is in the incessant demeaning tones you use to belittle people Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #22

Don't question the Nadin. greytdemocrat Feb 2012 #39

Ows is fine when doing the dnc thing mdmc Feb 2012 #9

The fact that people active in Occupy MineralMan Feb 2012 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Feb 2012 #14

Well, supposedly I'm on ignore now Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Feb 2012 #35

Welcome to the Iggy list! nt zappaman Feb 2012 #38

Didn't she, at one time, vow to stop using the Ignorance button? n/t Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #68

That's just one zappaman Feb 2012 #78

Because they're democrats? nt sufrommich Feb 2012 #28

Don't see how this can be a national trend kctim Feb 2012 #5

You still do not undertand that OWS is in pretty much nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #10

Nadin, you know some do not understand because they choose not to understand. donheld Feb 2012 #55

But most understand kctim Feb 2012 #59

I would expect this to come straight, once again, from El Rushbo nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #72

Nope, they're too lazy or ignorant donheld Feb 2012 #83

Oh I understand it just fine thank you kctim Feb 2012 #60

You will dismiss the grassroots then nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #61

Yes kctim Feb 2012 #65

Well at least in California you are so off it's not even funny nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #67

Us "guys" aren't fighting anything so hard kctim Feb 2012 #86

and attending state conventions as delegates nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #87

wow Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #69

Oh and one last question, from your post... nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #70

Fascinating? kctim Feb 2012 #88

So a frame used by Rush Limbaugh is NOW a democratic frame? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #89

I frame my words according to myself kctim Feb 2012 #91

So you truly do not care if you use rank FAR RIGHT WING nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #94

Careful there, cowboy. randome Feb 2012 #90

OWS is a Global Trend. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #43

Ha! I found you again. Here's the pic of Firemen protesting pension reform in Brussels last week BelgianMadCow Feb 2012 #50

Lol, that is funny, but if it happened here, those Firemen would all have been arrested sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #51

Good for you, hooray! Remember Me Feb 2012 #52

both the streets and the press are turning since that latest package BelgianMadCow Feb 2012 #57

So the few thousand supporters say kctim Feb 2012 #66

Multiply that and a few zeroes, and you are getting close! sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #71

Ows seems libtodeath Feb 2012 #6

And once the parade is really big nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #15

I really, really hope you're right! LongTomH Feb 2012 #54

From where I sit (stand, march, rally, protest, etc.), madamesilverspurs Feb 2012 #11

Yup, well said, nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #18

Because state delegates are, for the most part, the same people year after year, I would guess this Brickbat Feb 2012 #13

Good point. Robb Feb 2012 #16

And you'd be wrong since I did talk to many nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #17

When you say "got involved," what do you mean? With the party? Brickbat Feb 2012 #40

You are saying the delegates are the same old nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #49

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master" starroute Feb 2012 #20

I think I saw the tip of that wave nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #21

Excellent and somewhat poetic description! Remember Me Feb 2012 #53

How sad that Occupy is the only grassroots where you are. JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #23

They are not the only grass roots nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #24

Pulled to the left... it's about time. Zalatix Feb 2012 #25

You will have to excuse me, I meant no offense JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #31

No problem nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #33

I think of Occupy as a way to give the Dem elites the swift kick in the ass they desperately need. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #27

You nailed it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #29

Is this going on in all 51 states? zappaman Feb 2012 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Feb 2012 #34

What's the 51 State? n/t EX500rider Feb 2012 #92

Beats me. n/t zappaman Feb 2012 #93

I'm not surprised all they really want is to be heard and to see that their voice matters craigmatic Feb 2012 #32

Kick (nt) fascisthunter Feb 2012 #36

The day OWS becomes part and parcel of the Democratic Party is the day they lose any credibilty. AnOhioan Feb 2012 #37

Does it have credibility now Johonny Feb 2012 #41

Good post. In answer to your question regarding what influence they have had, sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #44

that and injecting the terms "99% and 1%" into the political bloodstream! CTyankee Feb 2012 #58

I agree. They did change the discussion on a national level. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #64

You'd do well to ask Leader Pelosi nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #47

even if it's outside the US: over here, several papers and the socialist party are using the lingo BelgianMadCow Feb 2012 #42

At least in the US the first thing that comes before deeds nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Feb 2012 #80

Much about OWS is not as media would have you think. I think it is wiggs Feb 2012 #45

Great post malaise Feb 2012 #46

Occupy is so much deeper than a few protest & tents. U4ikLefty Feb 2012 #56

Good post. It is about a 'system' change. What we've doing wrong is sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #73

''Not only that, the themes of OWS were all over in speeches'' Whisp Feb 2012 #62

Pressure from the streets is necessary at times nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #63

I don't hate OWS, did you read what I said? Whisp Feb 2012 #74

Ok...you also are ignoring the constant nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #75

whoosh Whisp Feb 2012 #76

Back at ya nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #79

Show me one post where someone claims that OWS "came up with" these issues "out of the blue" U4ikLefty Feb 2012 #77

what the fuck ever. Whisp Feb 2012 #82

So that means you can't find one & now are lashing out. U4ikLefty Feb 2012 #84

I matched your tone in my reply Whisp Feb 2012 #85

K&R woo me with science Feb 2012 #81

Don't ask Dem leaders, trust the words of OWS - they hate Dems atddoug Jun 2012 #95

Riddle me this batman nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #96