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72. I tend to rule out conspiracy theories because the more people involved, the more chance of error

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 08:23 PM

Jul 2013

Part of why I agree with Bill Maher "We know Bush didn't do it because it worked!"

But get one or two people together, even three - and under the right circumstances they can do a lot of damage.

All of the intelligence communities have been gathering data, there is no way to find what they are looking for. You are talking searching through Zettabytes of data. It is a breach of the 4th amendment, and it will result in many false arrests.

But if they make you THINK they have personalized files on you, probably on the desktop of some evil NSA guy wearing a blue shirt, white collar and "braces," watching your every move.

I'm sure they want us to think they killed Kennedy

I'm sure they want us to think there still exists an 'al-queda' (there isn't)

I'm sure they want us to think they may have had a hand behind 9/11

That kind of counter-propaganda can do a number on our collective fears and unease

Then...go to commercial. Look at the happy people selling shiny objects. Isn't that nice!

Just a phone call away....

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Anybody read this on Michael Hastings? It's disturbing. [View all] Cleita Jul 2013 OP

k for exposure HiPointDem Jul 2013 #1

I believe it BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #34

WTF? zappaman Jul 2013 #36

What a surprise! Always there to add plausible deniability. Octafish Jul 2013 #59

What a surprise! Always there to believe any conspiracy theory. zappaman Jul 2013 #62

You mean, ''apart from Richard Clarke,'' who would know about such things, like 9-11. Octafish Jul 2013 #68

Where in the video does it say there is evidence that Hasting's crash was not an accident? zappaman Jul 2013 #69

It's a short video. Octafish Jul 2013 #78

Indeed BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #96

Snowden broke his legs before he ever did a nanosecond on active duty--he never got past MADem Jul 2013 #104

wow BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #148

Calm down guy - I'm with you (because I've experienced Laser haters at DailyKos) laserhaas Jul 2013 #70

There's got to be a hack you can have installed. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #2

This had to be a rental though, so I don't think you would have much choice Cleita Jul 2013 #4

He was driving a lower-end Benz Link Speed Jul 2013 #41

You can rent them, I rented a C250 MB for 4 days Raine Jul 2013 #47

and lock the wheels and steering in security position while moving. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #43

Old lady here. What does that mean and how is it done? virgogal Jul 2013 #77

On board computer system like on star and a locking nineteen50 Jul 2013 #90

Thank you---I guess that's out for me with my little old Corolla. virgogal Jul 2013 #95

Interesting theory. kentuck Jul 2013 #3

What I thought was interesting was that Clarke, a Repug tool usually, said he Cleita Jul 2013 #5

I don't believe Clarke was a ReThug tool. I trust him explicitly. Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #27

I dunno working for Reagan and the Bushes maybe. Cleita Jul 2013 #52

He's the farthest thing from a "tool" of any kind imaginable. Schema Thing Jul 2013 #133

Clark is far from a rethug tool. BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #140

I guess I should. I have a habit of not believing anyone who had anything to do with Cleita Jul 2013 #143

... "I believe the FBI when they say they weren't investigating him," said Clarke ... struggle4progress Jul 2013 #6

Do you think he was saying that it's unlikely that they weren't investigating him Cleita Jul 2013 #7

Or mebbe it's code for "Sasquatch had him whacked cuz he was havin an affair with Loch Ness Nellie" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #15

You haven't been paying a whole lot of attention have you while your Cleita Jul 2013 #23

Credibility is hard to win and easy to lose. It's possible to win some political fights struggle4progress Jul 2013 #35

But you used crazyland to knock it down. zeemike Jul 2013 #61

So it is your opinion whoever regards something as crazy is immediately discredited thereby? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #73

That is not what I said. zeemike Jul 2013 #79

So why do you work so hard to defend the credibility... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #129

JFC it's been posted like 10 times now. Who HASN'T seen that BS by now? nt DevonRex Jul 2013 #8

Maybe it hasn't been posted enough. Cleita Jul 2013 #9

Whatever. At least you admitted you're posting it after it's been done over and over again. DevonRex Jul 2013 #12

"Good German" is the new talking point... SidDithers Jul 2013 #17

Actually, it's really an old talking point with me. Cleita Jul 2013 #24

The ability to do it isn't BS. Ilsa Jul 2013 #75

And how do you assure a kill? jberryhill Jul 2013 #102

Obviously, you can't assure one. nt Ilsa Jul 2013 #109

After a certain speed, SamReynolds Jul 2013 #134

You miss the point jberryhill Jul 2013 #147

Not as difficult as you suggest. SamReynolds Jul 2013 #149

Has any information been released ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #10

None that I can find. Maybe the investigation has a gag order issued, but it Cleita Jul 2013 #11

One would think some enterprising ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #13

Maybe they are scared considering what happened. Cleita Jul 2013 #18

Really can't much blame them for being scared, I guess. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #39

Let's not assume, for those who are, that it is the government's nasty work here Whisp Jul 2013 #14

I'm not really blaming government. It could be private enterprises with the ability Cleita Jul 2013 #20

yeh, lots of questions, for sure. Whisp Jul 2013 #21

All I'm saying is that after I posted a Michael Savage quote on my FB acct, my mac crashed. LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #16

I think you were hacked by some crooks trying to steal your identity. Cleita Jul 2013 #81

Oh, good. Misery loves company. :) nt LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #83

Something similar happened to me Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #82

Why It's Unlikely Someone Killed Michael Hastings By Hacking His Car cali Jul 2013 #19

And here is the truth from your article. Cleita Jul 2013 #22

Yah. Wrong kind of accident aquart Jul 2013 #29

Drive a stick shift. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #25

I drove a stick about half my driving life. I also had roll up windows and no air conditioning. Cleita Jul 2013 #26

Everything else can be electric, but you'll always have control over the engine with stick shift. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #28

Even an automatic can be shifted to neutral. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #30

I agree. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #40

"you don't knock down a conspiracy theory until you can prove it" G_j Jul 2013 #31

Jill Kelley's lawsuit is about privacy law concerns and abuse from high level government officials siligut Jul 2013 #32

Question to which I have no answer. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #46

Strange how no officials are not clamoring for Mercedes to make a statement on Cleita Jul 2013 #84

His wife already debunked the story investigation BS... Historic NY Jul 2013 #33

So it doesn't mean he wasn't working on something else that could have Cleita Jul 2013 #51

Really....... Historic NY Jul 2013 #99

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #37

People who knew him seem to believe he was murdered starroute Jul 2013 #38

what does his wife say ? JI7 Jul 2013 #45

I met Michael Hastings at the DNC IN Charlotte octoberlib Jul 2013 #42

Thank you, octoberlib! Octafish Jul 2013 #91

He might have been mistaken about the FBI investigating him. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #44

I'm not. I'm thinking he knows a lot more than he has said and is putting out some crumbs Cleita Jul 2013 #49

Have you read the article in the NYT about Ernest Hemingway and the FBI? octoberlib Jul 2013 #60

I respect Clarke. H2O Man Jul 2013 #48

Why hack a car when you can plant a bomb? Taverner Jul 2013 #50

Not saying it wasn't a bomb that went undetected, however, the possibility that Cleita Jul 2013 #54

It does, but then again fear is exactly what intelligence agencies, and the MIC want Taverner Jul 2013 #64

I don't disagree with you. We were discussing stuff like this since Cleita Jul 2013 #66

I tend to rule out conspiracy theories because the more people involved, the more chance of error Taverner Jul 2013 #72

Whatever - it's frightening n/t malaise Jul 2013 #71

I think it was Elvis who did the hacking. George II Jul 2013 #53

I saw this, and wound up discussing it on Huffpost. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #55

The coroner has verified that the body is Hastings. Cleita Jul 2013 #56

You do realize there are witnesses who saw the car flying down the street? zappaman Jul 2013 #58

There is also testimony from his friend that he drove like a grandma. Cleita Jul 2013 #63

Really? zappaman Jul 2013 #67

I doubt if it was 100 miles an hour or even 80 or 60. That would be impossible to do on a street Cleita Jul 2013 #74

You doubt that? zappaman Jul 2013 #76

Neither do you. The video does not clearly show the speed the car was going. Cleita Jul 2013 #80

Witnesses "WHO"???? - Even "IF" the car did run a Red-light and was "flying down the street"; such laserhaas Jul 2013 #85

*sigh* zappaman Jul 2013 #87

And he timed it at a hundred miles an hour. Sure he did. Cleita Jul 2013 #89

That is what I'm saying ---- tomatoe - tomahto laserhaas Jul 2013 #94

Do you "really" believe (in this day & age) that we can unequivocally "trust" a Coroner's report laserhaas Jul 2013 #86

Putting it that way we probably can't trust anything. However, it seems sensible to Cleita Jul 2013 #88

It is now a fact that JFK was more than we did now (and even now know) laserhaas Jul 2013 #97

The what hasn't been answered either. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #98

I think he was driving, but I wonder if the cyber attack meant that someone SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #93

Yes, the trees are so sparse on that street zappaman Jul 2013 #57

There is maybe one tree every other block. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #92

Bullshit. zappaman Jul 2013 #107

So I looked at the street view on Google maps of Melrose of the accident site as Cleita Jul 2013 #113

I did when I drove those 9 blocks this morning. zappaman Jul 2013 #114

Actually doing Google street view when you drive east that seems to be the case. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #115

Highland does not go east. n/t zappaman Jul 2013 #116

Who cares what direction. I don't. We were actually discussing whether Cleita Jul 2013 #117

You seem lost. zappaman Jul 2013 #118

I was not discussing Highland at all. No one is. Cleita Jul 2013 #119

He hit a tree on Highland. zappaman Jul 2013 #120

And this is important to you why? Cleita Jul 2013 #121

It's important to have facts. zappaman Jul 2013 #122

Yes, because you are always so factual yourself. Cleita Jul 2013 #123

Now you engage in personal attacks zappaman Jul 2013 #124

I haven't attacked you at all. I just pointed out a fact about your posts and reasons for Cleita Jul 2013 #125

LOL! zappaman Jul 2013 #126

Well, I'm happy you are so amused. Cleita Jul 2013 #127

Agreed, zappaman Jul 2013 #128

I was being facetious because of the inability for people to acknowledge something. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #137

No problem. zappaman Jul 2013 #144

They aren't 10 feet apart! SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #136

Okay, so do I, and quite honestly the spacing of the trees is not important when discussing Cleita Jul 2013 #138

I think that the various agencies that claim to have our security in mind are doing far more harm SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #141

I agree. We need to get Barbara Boxer on this too. She will probably try to do something Cleita Jul 2013 #142

I do. I get stuck in traffic there on my way to the valley. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #135

K & R AzDar Jul 2013 #65

I wonder if they can remotely pilot aircraft? reusrename Jul 2013 #100

"Smirk." - George AWOL Bush (R) Berlum Jul 2013 #132

There are simpler ways to kill people jberryhill Jul 2013 #101

Don't wonder. It's fiction. Cleita Jul 2013 #105

Heard it earlier today on a radio show I think. Consider this tech3149 Jul 2013 #103

Perhaps this is the new small airplanes. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #106

Delusional Onlooker Jul 2013 #108

So I guess we shouldn't look for answers when there are questions. Cleita Jul 2013 #111

I would like to know if there has been any real investigation of the car crash NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #110

Supposedly, there is an investigation going on and there are still toxicology tests Cleita Jul 2013 #112

There was article in "Vermont Life" about him in 2013 Summer Edition... KoKo Jul 2013 #130

There's a lot of positives here. I didn't know about him having Cleita Jul 2013 #131

Couple this story with the one about FBI sniper attacks on Occupy leaders... KansDem Jul 2013 #139

Yes, this is disturbing. Richard Clarke is not a flake. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #145

Actually, a pretty good hunch. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #146