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struggle4progress

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72. Yup: looks like he's gotta renounce his citizenship himself before he whines about being stateless

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 11:37 PM

Jul 2013

OTOH, his PoV could be the result of him getting craptastic legal advice from the usual Assangist lawyers, who have sometimes shown great creativity in their legal theories -- a recent one being that Assange, who jumped bail to seek refuge in the embassy because extradition to Sweden supposedly would result in him being sent to Guantanamo for torture and execution, now could no longer dare to leave the embassy even if the Swedes dropped their extradition case, apparently because the UK also now wants to send him to Guantanamo for torture and execution -- though to judge from the recent noises coming from Ecuador, Mr Assange may be tempting the Ecuadorians to fly him to Guantanamo themselves if they can't find any other way to get him out of the embassy

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Snowden: Obama Using "Citizenship As A Weapon" [View all] Purveyor Jul 2013 OP

One problem Andy823 Jul 2013 #1

His passport was revoked, not his citizenship frazzled Jul 2013 #2

When your Passport is Rejected...you are NO LONGER able to Travel... KoKo Jul 2013 #3

Why do you conflate 'no longer able to travel' with citizenship? randome Jul 2013 #4

To Travel as US Citizen you need a Passport...without that...you can't travel KoKo Jul 2013 #7

Oh, US agents will be happy to escort him here frazzled Jul 2013 #12

original better HiPointDem Jul 2013 #77

Well, of course, the great Lotte Lenya ... but frazzled Jul 2013 #81

I've felt the weimarish for some time. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #82

revoking a fugitive's passport is SOP nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #21

uuuuuuh that's kind of the point. gholtron Jul 2013 #63

He's still a US citizen. He just can't legally travel anywhere ELSE, pnwmom Jul 2013 #87

Upon extradition request the person's passport is revoked. Period. DevonRex Jul 2013 #90

He could come back to the US frazzled Jul 2013 #10

He can travel back here treestar Jul 2013 #33

22 CFR Subpart E � Denial, Revocation, and Restriction of Passports struggle4progress Jul 2013 #79

Not being able to travel does NOT make him stateless. All it does is prevent him pnwmom Jul 2013 #86

Has he tried Iran? Or contacted al-Qaeda for help? AlinPA Jul 2013 #92

Felons can't have passports either flamingdem Jul 2013 #43

He ran away to China and Russia. Obama didn't throw him out. NightWatcher Jul 2013 #5

Yep Andy823 Jul 2013 #6

Spies stay in safe houses not the Airport Mockba Starbucks NightWatcher Jul 2013 #8

they also usually spy for someone else who will give them haven. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #78

He let GeeGee and Julian's ASS-anganistas write a check his ass will never be able to cash. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #9

a mulligan! KittyWampus Jul 2013 #15

Fuck Snowden.. HipChick Jul 2013 #11

Fuck this weasel. sagat Jul 2013 #13

right in the ear! MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #18

sideways! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #27

Welcome to DU! sibelian Jul 2013 #19

"Obama ruined my getaway!" CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #14

this ^^^^ nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #20

I may have to borrow that? Cha Jul 2013 #25

Please do! CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #65

Exactly! Obama is invoking the law! treestar Jul 2013 #36

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #74

+1 graham4anything Jul 2013 #80

WAIT! I thought he was already in Hong Kong when the1st article was printed. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #16

You can't betray a Government and expect to hold valid documents from it at the same time. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #17

Who 'betrayed' who first? The government to its people or Snowden? eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #28

Snowden did what he did and now he can't face Justice in the USA. But, he can Cha Jul 2013 #35

Perhaps you missed the question. Who 'betrayed' who first, the gov't by spying on its citizens or Purveyor Jul 2013 #37

I didn't miss anything.. I'm talking about the OP. Snowden betrayed the USA.. Cha Jul 2013 #44

Well if you think the USA hasn't betrayed you...there is nothing left for you and me to discuss. Purveyor Jul 2013 #49

You know dick. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #84

The American people betrayed themselves when they went along with this shit in the first place. phleshdef Jul 2013 #89

His claims about US surveillance have been disputed. The fact that he faces felony charges pnwmom Jul 2013 #88

so NSA snooping is wrong therefore snowden should be able to give US secrets to the Chinese? arely staircase Jul 2013 #50

Yeah...it does. Blow-back is a bitch, indeed. eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #52

glad we got that straight. it isn't often someone comes right out and arely staircase Jul 2013 #54

And what 'fallacy' would that be...ole wise one? eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #58

"I am not here to hide from justice." randome Jul 2013 #22

This is too much.. he's also "hasn't been convicted of anything".. he's is a damn Cha Jul 2013 #29

Where are the "WikiLeaks attorneys" and why haven't they advised Mr. Snowden alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #46

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #23

I think Snowden was the first to use "citizenship" as a weapon...against his own government. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #24

"Citizenship as a weapon"? Is he insane? Cha Jul 2013 #26

Using flammable words to get his fans frothing treestar Jul 2013 #38

poor Snowden.. what a wimp. Trying to blame President Obama for Cha Jul 2013 #45

Snowden keeps hopping from one authoritarian country to the next... Galraedia Jul 2013 #30

Oh yes, he could always return the the 'land of the free'. "Free" my ass... eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #31

How free is he feeling in Russia now that Putin has told him to shut up? Galraedia Jul 2013 #34

About as free as he would be here in the USA but at least he knows that gov't. I thought I did Purveyor Jul 2013 #40

Oh God, now you are just embarassing yourself. phleshdef Jul 2013 #91

This IS the land of the free treestar Jul 2013 #39

LOL, indeed. eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #42

Damn Straight, treestar. How many Chinese and Russians would love to have Cha Jul 2013 #47

I'm not trapped in an airport treestar Jul 2013 #64

Just as I originally suspected.. Snowden is a whiney snot Cha Jul 2013 #67

for all his grand language, he's really doing nothing other than treestar Jul 2013 #68

Ed doesn't believe in the law. Snowden has a big stage to lie about the Pres and the USA.. Cha Jul 2013 #69

Actually, Canada is generally preferred newthinking Jul 2013 #75

What an asshole he is treestar Jul 2013 #32

Sense of entitlement.. like many asshole libertarians. Cha Jul 2013 #48

You made your choice,, and it isn't Obama's fault still_one Jul 2013 #41

There is no process by which the govt can end an American's citizenship Recursion Jul 2013 #51

I'm not sure that is still true after the Patriot Act but I'm too tired to confirm. iirc, we Purveyor Jul 2013 #53

Apparently you can be denaturalized if fraud is discovered Recursion Jul 2013 #55

I added to my post after your response. Please see. eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #56

Huh. I'll ask my consular officer wife... Recursion Jul 2013 #57

OK. I see where you are coming from but do get back with me. eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #60

I think they can only revoke citizenship from naturalized citizens tammywammy Jul 2013 #61

8 USC � 1481 struggle4progress Jul 2013 #66

Look like Poor Eddie can't make himself victim of this even if he wants to be treestar Jul 2013 #70

Yup: looks like he's gotta renounce his citizenship himself before he whines about being stateless struggle4progress Jul 2013 #72

LOL treestar Jul 2013 #73

I didn't know stealing classified information and government gholtron Jul 2013 #59

And I don't see spying and collecting everyday data on US citizens a 'basic right' of our gov't. eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #62

Isn't he a fugitive? Renew Deal Jul 2013 #71

Waaaah...waaaaah! Snowden: Using classified material that he swore to keep safe as a weapon! MADem Jul 2013 #76

This guy is a jackass. NCTraveler Jul 2013 #83

Maybe President Assange can get him another set of travel documents. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #85