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nadinbrzezinski

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121. Like the one from us last night

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:42 PM

Jul 2013

that we had nothing to do with this... reaching for this.

They just do not pass the smell test.

Hollande was elected on a left agenda, I am betting on marches in Paris over this

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So here is the problem...how does the rest if the world deal with a rogue state? [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 OP

Oh for cripes sake... gcomeau Jul 2013 #1

My little world gets it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #8

If you think South America... gcomeau Jul 2013 #21

If I think this is a serious diplomatic row nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #22

Sigh... gcomeau Jul 2013 #28

Do you understand that plane is sovereign territory nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #31

Yep. gcomeau Jul 2013 #32

Why did that happen? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #35

Why did *what* happen? gcomeau Jul 2013 #38

My, my, yes I did nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #42

Do you comprehend... gcomeau Jul 2013 #56

Yes...and if you think this will have no effect beyond words nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #61

My guess is a detachment of Marines would be helicoptered in AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #72

Well the overwhelming response is a given nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #75

In that hysterical hypothetical... gcomeau Jul 2013 #73

So if Obama was essentially held prisoner... AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #77

Wasn't the question. gcomeau Jul 2013 #88

What part of AF 1 is sovereign territory of the US are you missing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #103

No part of it. But I get that you're incapable of grasping that. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #108

I guess it is time you and I say our permanent good byes. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #109

Indeed. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #112

So much for supporting first amendment rights. Skidmore Jul 2013 #130

The land of reality is what the nations of South America think and this morning it is not pro-USA. byeya Jul 2013 #37

The chickens are coming home to roost, real soon. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #50

Maybe the chickens are coming home to roost. If so I hope the Monroe Doctrine will be on the floor byeya Jul 2013 #74

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Jul 2013 #116

Perfect reply sikofit3 Jul 2013 #127

I admire you sikofit3 Jul 2013 #126

We just do nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #129

I admire you too, thank you for what you do. LiberalLoner Jul 2013 #147

There is a boat load of resentment around here truebluegreen Jul 2013 #33

Not questioning that. gcomeau Jul 2013 #36

you epitomize the caricature of the ugly american.. frylock Jul 2013 #90

Not an American. Just recognize basic fundamental realities. gcomeau Jul 2013 #92

Why is it idiotic for South American states Maedhros Jul 2013 #104

It isn't. gcomeau Jul 2013 #107

I can see your point. Maedhros Jul 2013 #120

On the other hand using it to extract concessions Generic Other Jul 2013 #136

Fantasy world? You assume a lot out of a very brief comment truebluegreen Jul 2013 #117

I agree with you nadin. Somebody overstepped. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #68

Seems to be the same one I'm living in... sibelian Jul 2013 #13

It's painful, but it's better than living with one's head in the sand. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #46

If you seriously think... gcomeau Jul 2013 #53

Is it within the realm of possibility ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #145

They will do nothing hack89 Jul 2013 #2

I agree. PDJane Jul 2013 #3

You never stated when the empire is going to collapse snooper2 Jul 2013 #4

Bolivian president's treatment stirs up fury in Latin America dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #5

They won't. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #10

This is the public opinion and leadership opinion that counts and its in South America. byeya Jul 2013 #41

The OAS timdog44 Jul 2013 #69

They searched the plane? Holy fuck! think Jul 2013 #131

LOL at the hyperole! "Yes, yes we are, nuclear armed!" FSogol Jul 2013 #6

Hey. It's series!!11 HappyMe Jul 2013 #26

And my local fox five station is covering nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #7

I going to guess that the US just lost a trading region. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #9

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #11

Especially now timdog44 Jul 2013 #80

That makes no sense hack89 Jul 2013 #14

China could fill any gap we make by our departure. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #44

Two major unsubstantiated assumptions there hack89 Jul 2013 #52

Depends on the commodity. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #55

I assume nothing - that is why I questioned your certainty. hack89 Jul 2013 #60

It would not be a lightswitch but it can easily be done. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #63

So give us a real world example where a country or trade region did exactly that hack89 Jul 2013 #70

And it might have never happened before timdog44 Jul 2013 #84

They have no need or desire to make such a change. hack89 Jul 2013 #89

Snowden is just small timdog44 Jul 2013 #100

Perhaps hack89 Jul 2013 #125

There are refineries in Curacao, less than 100 miles off Venezuelan coast. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #82

Not so sure timdog44 Jul 2013 #114

Manufactured goods represent 86% of America's exports - $1.3 trillion in 2011 alone. hack89 Jul 2013 #128

Manufactured goods may have timdog44 Jul 2013 #132

It is clear your mind is made up so why don't we just call it a day? nt hack89 Jul 2013 #133

Don't give up. timdog44 Jul 2013 #135

Latin America would probably be fine just shipping all their stuff to Europe. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #17

I think this wouyld be a great time to kick out ALL of the "drug warriors" out of the region. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #45

Not going to happen. Not a chance. cali Jul 2013 #12

What, an old fashioned trade war? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #18

Not over this. cali Jul 2013 #23

Yes, yes over this. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #24

Is there a term for howling hyperbolic hysteria, based on batshit bloviating blather? OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #59

look nadin, this was a despicable incident and Bolivia is furious as are cali Jul 2013 #76

You realize Latin America has now international organizations that did not nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #79

we'll see who's correct here within a rather short period of time cali Jul 2013 #81

72 hours, since conasur is meeting right now. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #83

Yes, I posted that Bolivia was bringing a complaint to the U.N. hours ago cali Jul 2013 #85

We are a permanent member of the security council nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #101

We both know that as a permanent member of the security council and a superpower, the US indepat Jul 2013 #137

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #138

And the reason being timdog44 Jul 2013 #86

Oh trust me, I get it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #95

I think I am again timdog44 Jul 2013 #97

Exactly. All of the S. American leaders can bluster about opposition to the US, FSogol Jul 2013 #54

Their economies are dependent on US trade hack89 Jul 2013 #57

I would guess just visa versa. timdog44 Jul 2013 #78

No combination of countries in the region hack89 Jul 2013 #87

Also from that article. timdog44 Jul 2013 #102

He doesn't seem to be scaring anyone that much. This is the most non-chalant apprehension of JaneyVee Jul 2013 #15

That is why we had a NATO alert. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #19

Do you have a link to the NATO alert? maddezmom Jul 2013 #30

Here you go: FSogol Jul 2013 #58

I would like to see a link or evidence. Not saying you're wrong, just that I need proof. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #49

All states that closed their air space at the same time are NATO members nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #71

France is not a member of NATO Maedhros Jul 2013 #110

France is in a strange place nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #113

It appears that France now claims that it did not close its air space to Morales. Maedhros Jul 2013 #119

Like the one from us last night nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #121

I admire the French Left Maedhros Jul 2013 #134

France became a full NATO member again back in 2009. n/t tammywammy Jul 2013 #140

Hmm. Missed that, I guess. Maedhros Jul 2013 #146

Every bully attracts sycophants. Downwinder Jul 2013 #16

Yes nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #20

a post fit for DU's Drama Queens KittyWampus Jul 2013 #25

You're talking about US as a "rogue state"? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #27

Believe it or not that is the talk abroad nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #40

It's more of a "rogue state" now Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #43

Well, bush the lesser did not go and make friends nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #47

Uff Da! MineralMan Jul 2013 #29

Not a term I have heard timdog44 Jul 2013 #91

Interesting side perspective Hydra Jul 2013 #34

Oh, for dog butt Jesus cripes! lol Whisp Jul 2013 #39

I think the effects will be more subtle -- and Hollywood may get pinched starroute Jul 2013 #48

Skinning this cat in other words. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #51

yes...that's the long term danger. That they won't buy our culture anymore... KoKo Jul 2013 #99

Not that hard if we keep building back doors for surveillance into everything starroute Jul 2013 #111

Remington shotguns too nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #115

Depends how much power the rouge state has usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #62

I suspect we will start to see effects now nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #64

So ProSense Jul 2013 #65

Oh criminy... RudynJack Jul 2013 #66

In US Dollars, of course! nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #67

This is the "New World Order" Bush I talked about. Nobody understood him. Most still don't get it. BlueStreak Jul 2013 #93

Merkel's comment was revealing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #96

I WELCOME trade wars. The last thing we need is free trade. BlueStreak Jul 2013 #141

But if the rest of the world closes trade borders nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #142

The people who want this "new world order" will not let that happen BlueStreak Jul 2013 #143

Shifting alliances nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #144

We can trust America to continue it's usual sledge-hammer "diplomacy" of threats and intimidation. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #94

Stupid post Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #98

par for the course i'm afraid... dionysus Jul 2013 #106

. dionysus Jul 2013 #105

When you find yourself in a bad relationship it is time to..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #118

Imagine what *can* happen if what you say comes to pass: "...but regions can start bike man Jul 2013 #122

In South America, they are going to have to set aside petty squabbles and come together Cleita Jul 2013 #123

They have been for some time nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #124

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #139