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timdog44

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135. Don't give up.

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:02 PM

Jul 2013

This is exactly why I am here. To learn. I am doing so much research to answer you. I think one of the big things I have a problem with is the amount of import we have. I admit to leaning to being an isolationist. I don't like the fact that the USA relies so heavily on other countries imports. I think we have the intelligence and ingenuity to do for ourselves. If we can stop relying on other countries for goods and products, that could easily be produced here, and pay our people better money to produce them. I don't begrudge other countries making and selling products, but I see a lot of it as an evolution. One that we have gone through. One that, if we have to share with other countries, only lowers the living standards of people in America.

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So here is the problem...how does the rest if the world deal with a rogue state? [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 OP

Oh for cripes sake... gcomeau Jul 2013 #1

My little world gets it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #8

If you think South America... gcomeau Jul 2013 #21

If I think this is a serious diplomatic row nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #22

Sigh... gcomeau Jul 2013 #28

Do you understand that plane is sovereign territory nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #31

Yep. gcomeau Jul 2013 #32

Why did that happen? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #35

Why did *what* happen? gcomeau Jul 2013 #38

My, my, yes I did nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #42

Do you comprehend... gcomeau Jul 2013 #56

Yes...and if you think this will have no effect beyond words nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #61

My guess is a detachment of Marines would be helicoptered in AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #72

Well the overwhelming response is a given nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #75

In that hysterical hypothetical... gcomeau Jul 2013 #73

So if Obama was essentially held prisoner... AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #77

Wasn't the question. gcomeau Jul 2013 #88

What part of AF 1 is sovereign territory of the US are you missing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #103

No part of it. But I get that you're incapable of grasping that. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #108

I guess it is time you and I say our permanent good byes. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #109

Indeed. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #112

So much for supporting first amendment rights. Skidmore Jul 2013 #130

The land of reality is what the nations of South America think and this morning it is not pro-USA. byeya Jul 2013 #37

The chickens are coming home to roost, real soon. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #50

Maybe the chickens are coming home to roost. If so I hope the Monroe Doctrine will be on the floor byeya Jul 2013 #74

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Jul 2013 #116

Perfect reply sikofit3 Jul 2013 #127

I admire you sikofit3 Jul 2013 #126

We just do nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #129

I admire you too, thank you for what you do. LiberalLoner Jul 2013 #147

There is a boat load of resentment around here truebluegreen Jul 2013 #33

Not questioning that. gcomeau Jul 2013 #36

you epitomize the caricature of the ugly american.. frylock Jul 2013 #90

Not an American. Just recognize basic fundamental realities. gcomeau Jul 2013 #92

Why is it idiotic for South American states Maedhros Jul 2013 #104

It isn't. gcomeau Jul 2013 #107

I can see your point. Maedhros Jul 2013 #120

On the other hand using it to extract concessions Generic Other Jul 2013 #136

Fantasy world? You assume a lot out of a very brief comment truebluegreen Jul 2013 #117

I agree with you nadin. Somebody overstepped. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #68

Seems to be the same one I'm living in... sibelian Jul 2013 #13

It's painful, but it's better than living with one's head in the sand. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #46

If you seriously think... gcomeau Jul 2013 #53

Is it within the realm of possibility ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #145

They will do nothing hack89 Jul 2013 #2

I agree. PDJane Jul 2013 #3

You never stated when the empire is going to collapse snooper2 Jul 2013 #4

Bolivian president's treatment stirs up fury in Latin America dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #5

They won't. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #10

This is the public opinion and leadership opinion that counts and its in South America. byeya Jul 2013 #41

The OAS timdog44 Jul 2013 #69

They searched the plane? Holy fuck! think Jul 2013 #131

LOL at the hyperole! "Yes, yes we are, nuclear armed!" FSogol Jul 2013 #6

Hey. It's series!!11 HappyMe Jul 2013 #26

And my local fox five station is covering nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #7

I going to guess that the US just lost a trading region. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #9

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #11

Especially now timdog44 Jul 2013 #80

That makes no sense hack89 Jul 2013 #14

China could fill any gap we make by our departure. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #44

Two major unsubstantiated assumptions there hack89 Jul 2013 #52

Depends on the commodity. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #55

I assume nothing - that is why I questioned your certainty. hack89 Jul 2013 #60

It would not be a lightswitch but it can easily be done. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #63

So give us a real world example where a country or trade region did exactly that hack89 Jul 2013 #70

And it might have never happened before timdog44 Jul 2013 #84

They have no need or desire to make such a change. hack89 Jul 2013 #89

Snowden is just small timdog44 Jul 2013 #100

Perhaps hack89 Jul 2013 #125

There are refineries in Curacao, less than 100 miles off Venezuelan coast. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #82

Not so sure timdog44 Jul 2013 #114

Manufactured goods represent 86% of America's exports - $1.3 trillion in 2011 alone. hack89 Jul 2013 #128

Manufactured goods may have timdog44 Jul 2013 #132

It is clear your mind is made up so why don't we just call it a day? nt hack89 Jul 2013 #133

Don't give up. timdog44 Jul 2013 #135

Latin America would probably be fine just shipping all their stuff to Europe. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #17

I think this wouyld be a great time to kick out ALL of the "drug warriors" out of the region. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #45

Not going to happen. Not a chance. cali Jul 2013 #12

What, an old fashioned trade war? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #18

Not over this. cali Jul 2013 #23

Yes, yes over this. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #24

Is there a term for howling hyperbolic hysteria, based on batshit bloviating blather? OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #59

look nadin, this was a despicable incident and Bolivia is furious as are cali Jul 2013 #76

You realize Latin America has now international organizations that did not nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #79

we'll see who's correct here within a rather short period of time cali Jul 2013 #81

72 hours, since conasur is meeting right now. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #83

Yes, I posted that Bolivia was bringing a complaint to the U.N. hours ago cali Jul 2013 #85

We are a permanent member of the security council nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #101

We both know that as a permanent member of the security council and a superpower, the US indepat Jul 2013 #137

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #138

And the reason being timdog44 Jul 2013 #86

Oh trust me, I get it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #95

I think I am again timdog44 Jul 2013 #97

Exactly. All of the S. American leaders can bluster about opposition to the US, FSogol Jul 2013 #54

Their economies are dependent on US trade hack89 Jul 2013 #57

I would guess just visa versa. timdog44 Jul 2013 #78

No combination of countries in the region hack89 Jul 2013 #87

Also from that article. timdog44 Jul 2013 #102

He doesn't seem to be scaring anyone that much. This is the most non-chalant apprehension of JaneyVee Jul 2013 #15

That is why we had a NATO alert. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #19

Do you have a link to the NATO alert? maddezmom Jul 2013 #30

Here you go: FSogol Jul 2013 #58

I would like to see a link or evidence. Not saying you're wrong, just that I need proof. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #49

All states that closed their air space at the same time are NATO members nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #71

France is not a member of NATO Maedhros Jul 2013 #110

France is in a strange place nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #113

It appears that France now claims that it did not close its air space to Morales. Maedhros Jul 2013 #119

Like the one from us last night nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #121

I admire the French Left Maedhros Jul 2013 #134

France became a full NATO member again back in 2009. n/t tammywammy Jul 2013 #140

Hmm. Missed that, I guess. Maedhros Jul 2013 #146

Every bully attracts sycophants. Downwinder Jul 2013 #16

Yes nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #20

a post fit for DU's Drama Queens KittyWampus Jul 2013 #25

You're talking about US as a "rogue state"? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #27

Believe it or not that is the talk abroad nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #40

It's more of a "rogue state" now Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #43

Well, bush the lesser did not go and make friends nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #47

Uff Da! MineralMan Jul 2013 #29

Not a term I have heard timdog44 Jul 2013 #91

Interesting side perspective Hydra Jul 2013 #34

Oh, for dog butt Jesus cripes! lol Whisp Jul 2013 #39

I think the effects will be more subtle -- and Hollywood may get pinched starroute Jul 2013 #48

Skinning this cat in other words. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #51

yes...that's the long term danger. That they won't buy our culture anymore... KoKo Jul 2013 #99

Not that hard if we keep building back doors for surveillance into everything starroute Jul 2013 #111

Remington shotguns too nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #115

Depends how much power the rouge state has usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #62

I suspect we will start to see effects now nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #64

So ProSense Jul 2013 #65

Oh criminy... RudynJack Jul 2013 #66

In US Dollars, of course! nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #67

This is the "New World Order" Bush I talked about. Nobody understood him. Most still don't get it. BlueStreak Jul 2013 #93

Merkel's comment was revealing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #96

I WELCOME trade wars. The last thing we need is free trade. BlueStreak Jul 2013 #141

But if the rest of the world closes trade borders nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #142

The people who want this "new world order" will not let that happen BlueStreak Jul 2013 #143

Shifting alliances nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #144

We can trust America to continue it's usual sledge-hammer "diplomacy" of threats and intimidation. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #94

Stupid post Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #98

par for the course i'm afraid... dionysus Jul 2013 #106

. dionysus Jul 2013 #105

When you find yourself in a bad relationship it is time to..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #118

Imagine what *can* happen if what you say comes to pass: "...but regions can start bike man Jul 2013 #122

In South America, they are going to have to set aside petty squabbles and come together Cleita Jul 2013 #123

They have been for some time nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #124

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #139