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sabrina 1

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56. Where is this pretense you are speaking of? We knew about this during the Bush years and

Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:06 AM

Jul 2013

elected Democrats to STOP it! Five years later and we find out that not only has nothing been done to stop it, it is growing bigger and bigger.

So what do you want people who vehemently opposed this spying during the Bush era to do now that we find our efforts to stop it have failed? Just shut up about it? And wait until the next Republican administration comes along, because we shouldn't say anything about a Dem Administration? That is ridiculous to put party before country is never an option and to blame the people for what their party is doing, is also ridiculous.

We trusted our party to stop Bush's policies, we failed, not what? Keep voting the same way and getting the same results? That's the solution being offered? And stfu about everything? Sorry, this failed method is no longer an option obviously.

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Hints Surface That NSA Building Massive, Pervasive Surveillance Capability - McClatchey/MiamiHearld [View all] WillyT Jul 2013 OP

Kick. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #1

Here we go again, the pretense that this is just now being built is just a pile of crap Coyotl Jul 2013 #4

Well... If That's True... Obama Could Dismantle It... Those Agencies Are Under The Executive Branch WillyT Jul 2013 #6

Russell Tice (one of the NSA whistleblowers) says the NSA was wiretapping Obama HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #25

Thank you! n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #43

they got the "goods" on Obama but didn't use it during the election? But it gives you clearance to KittyWampus Jul 2013 #86

Check your map! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #87

What does a map have to do with someone using a RIGHTWING SMEAR? Seems you've got nothing to KittyWampus Jul 2013 #88

A map, a map, my kingdom for a HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #89

"Why won't he?" N.I.B. Jul 2013 #85

Why does everything in your universe revolve around Obama. reusrename Jul 2013 #8

Because Bush was a KNOWN CRIMINAL. Obama... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #14

Good cop bad cop show. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #17

Bang on. sibelian Jul 2013 #19

Double bang on! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #65

Oh bullshit. Do you even know how government works? NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #60

You're right Pres. can't modify a SC decision. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #74

Obama has been president for 4-1/2 years and HE owns it now. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #12

Look out! Here come the Distractivists! RufusTFirefly Jul 2013 #13

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jul 2013 #16

I hate a damned bunny stomper. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #66

Get real. Who was out ahead of Greenwald and Snowden? Read DU to find out! Coyotl Jul 2013 #33

Thanks. Coyotl. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #39

Have you played Snowden-Bashing Bingo yet? backscatter712 Jul 2013 #34

Wonderful! I think I'll put up a Big Tent and invite my neighbors over for a game on the 4th RufusTFirefly Jul 2013 #36

Hmm, those all seem so familiar for some reason... n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #44

Thank you for the list. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #49

Not sure this is included: "Everything Snowden presents is a lie. The slide he presented proves rhett o rick Jul 2013 #51

IMO when he did not relieve Clapper from his position for lying, he now owns it. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #42

Obama took the baton and ran with it. mick063 Jul 2013 #45

Don't you remember the Retroactive Immunity in the FISA renewal? It even gave Bush immunity Coyotl Jul 2013 #46

So your point is that because this is old news we should accept it. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #50

No, not my point at all. The change took place BEFORE Obama, with retroactive immunity and all Coyotl Jul 2013 #53

" What is happening now is under the umbrella of the law." Does "under the umbrella rhett o rick Jul 2013 #54

Can you dig out the secret Patriot Act law? Even Senators cannot do that. Therein is the problem. Coyotl Jul 2013 #59

Let me get this straight, then.... Th1onein Jul 2013 #70

Where is this pretense you are speaking of? We knew about this during the Bush years and sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #56

In the headline in the Miami Hearld = "hints surface" Coyotl Jul 2013 #58

Nobody here is pretending anything. Th1onein Jul 2013 #71

Please inform everyone here how "he expanded the program". We want to know what you think you know. Coyotl Jul 2013 #75

Did you READ the OP? Th1onein Jul 2013 #77

No, I have never read an OP before Coyotl Jul 2013 #78

Yeah, I figured you wouldn't answer the question. Th1onein Jul 2013 #80

Ask me a real question and you can expect a real answer. Coyotl Jul 2013 #81

Do people realize what a catastrophe this is? MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #2

In one word: No! n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #3

Nope, turn key tyranny nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #7

Evidently not, sad to say n/t markpkessinger Jul 2013 #11

It's too frightening, Manny. They can't process it. sibelian Jul 2013 #18

Fighting tyranny is hard, denying tyranny is easy. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #48

No, they don't Marrah_G Jul 2013 #68

It's for our own good and neverforget Jul 2013 #5

If you have nothing to hide pscot Jul 2013 #23

Well, it's a job creator. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #9

Well...maybe 15 people monitoring some large Data Base in a large Military facility KoKo Jul 2013 #20

One million Top Secret security clearances at last count Coyotl Jul 2013 #61

But...but...but... burnodo Jul 2013 #10

They are making sure we will not be able to take back our government from the facists. L0oniX Jul 2013 #15

So we have the windows open but screened, and there are these little tiny flies that still get in... DRoseDARs Jul 2013 #24

LOL. Wife laughing too! Thanks for the comic relief :) - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #26

Victim number #297 L0oniX Jul 2013 #27

Adjusting my signature accordingly. :) DRoseDARs Jul 2013 #31

Either that or the Miami Herald want to take the Presidency back for the Republicans Coyotl Jul 2013 #41

The news finally comes to Miami... ReRe Jul 2013 #21

Snowden picks his boogers, then GiGi eats them. THAT'S the real story! DRoseDARs Jul 2013 #22

He's a damned bunny stomper! L0oniX Jul 2013 #29

Just disgusting. dkf Jul 2013 #28

Rockwell DJ13 Jul 2013 #30

Hints? DeSwiss Jul 2013 #32

Fuck the PO-lice Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #35

The Lambs Book of Life ... ThePhilosopher04 Jul 2013 #37

We can hear you now. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #38

Sure! Kurovski Jul 2013 #40

AT&T Leaker: Give Snowden Retroactive Immunity Coyotl Jul 2013 #47

nothing to see here cali Jul 2013 #52

See a bug outside buzzing around your keyhole? Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #55

k and r nashville_brook Jul 2013 #57

I am reminded that Obama has called for Internet users, for their "convenience," to have but ONE PW. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #62

Anyone who needs the convenience of only one password already has that option. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #63

Not just tapping into fiber optics... it's deeper than that. gtar100 Jul 2013 #64

Indeed...Short Sighted...but when Government is Downsizing...it might be KoKo Jul 2013 #69

K &R woo me with science Jul 2013 #67

They have probably only been waiting for technology to allow it. nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #72

Thank You For Sharing - Not Surprised That Snowden's Revelations Were The Tip Of The Iceberg cantbeserious Jul 2013 #73

Many years ago there was a book written about NSA called The Puzzle Palace. I can't southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #76

Thank you Orwell for the warning. You were so prescient. NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #79

Why don't they just put a screen in my house where they can watch all of my actions? Apophis Jul 2013 #82

... BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #83

protests there today Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #84