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ForeignandDomestic

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73. As Martin Luther King said..

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:30 PM

Jul 2013

"You can't have great disappointment without first having great love".

The people that visit DU and display their frustrations for the most part are loyal Democrats who embraced this party to begin with for the principles and ideology it promoted and we thought it stood for, fighting against poverty, racism, militarism.

When our elected leaders fail to deliver on the promises that were made on the campaign trail, then its' the people's right and to their self interest to voice their displeasure.

If "we the people" wanted to see the continuation and eroding of our civil liberties because of faceless boogeyman terrorist (who we happen to be smuggling weapons to in Syria now, can't make this stuff up) we wouldn't have come out en masses in 2008 for CHANGE.

People and personalities rise and fall, come and go, it's the ideals that change the world, if you attach your political standing on brands then you are ultimately setting yourself up failure, and this is a battle we can't afford to lose because the 1% is playing for keeps.

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NYT: Barring of Bolivian Plane Infuriates Latin America as Snowden Case Widens [View all] dkf Jul 2013 OP

Huh, first direct statement that Italy DID deny the airspace. Pholus Jul 2013 #1

France has apologised too dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #3

Absolutely, but the other countries were staying vague. Pholus Jul 2013 #4

Portugal has also admitted that they refused landing, but not airspace. morningfog Jul 2013 #10

"The White House got involved and everyone did their bidding." Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #50

The world is not a zero sum place. It is not all or nothing. morningfog Jul 2013 #55

Yes, I know why the trade talks are on the chopping block. Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #56

He was in Belgium, I think. MADem Jul 2013 #27

Just think about ALL the problems that would have been avoided Pholus Jul 2013 #30

And you know this because a thief who is falling apart in front of the world suggested it? nt MADem Jul 2013 #39

It's far too late and insulting to pretend that this is all Snowden's fabrication. Pholus Jul 2013 #54

How condescending and completely Imperialistic of them to think that an intelligent man sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #43

White European leader? Gee, I thought everyone was blaming the black American one here! MADem Jul 2013 #44

You are wrong. Bolivia was asked, right before this flight, whether they might grant sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #46

Uh OH..... Your Catholic.Org and South China Morning Post cites are ....er...not operative. MADem Jul 2013 #47

And that folks, is what we call: Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #51

I am so enjoying this. THAT folks, was in fact a HUGE error, corrected today sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #79

The Guardian got something wrong? Quelle Surprise! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #80

What? The Guardian article came from the AP. The Guardian has made plenty of sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #81

Longtime posters are starting to crack up over recent events. Rex Jul 2013 #82

Great. Now find that poll that says Europe is love with Dennis Kucinich. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #83

Changing the subject? Where's MY applause and the little roly poly guy? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #84

Link? An "online poll"? When did you make this up? And why didn't you say that.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #88

Lol, he 'regrets'the incident with Europe, but believes Europe should free itself from sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #57

My source is the wonderful, praised, Glenn Greenwald's can-do-no-wrong platform.... MADem Jul 2013 #58

Why would I be mad at you? Especially when I'm right and you're wrong! Lol! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #78

LOL!!! nt MADem Jul 2013 #85

nail on the head Sabrina mitchtv Jul 2013 #77

This is an accurate take on what happened, people here are still citing early reports flamingdem Jul 2013 #68

"The White House declined to comment on whether the American government had anything to do with sibelian Jul 2013 #2

Uh-oh racist paulbot obama haters have occupied the NYT. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #5

Getting up off the floor malaise Jul 2013 #9

K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #6

International bullying. 99Forever Jul 2013 #7

The Snowden case? burnodo Jul 2013 #8

Stop and frisk the brown guy. reusrename Jul 2013 #16

Yep. Even if he's the President of a sovereign country... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #22

Yes, he is a socialist, in the best sense of the word, democratically elected, not installed like sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #25

Wrong, actually no, this enters the class of so wrong intaglio Jul 2013 #11

'Outrage addiction'. Well put. randome Jul 2013 #13

I am being non-committal on Snowden here. longship Jul 2013 #14

And you've pulled all this from where? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #15

Started with Kos intaglio Jul 2013 #31

+1,000 nt MADem Jul 2013 #45

Thanks for that link n/t flamingdem Jul 2013 #69

A tech stop for fuel was scheduled in Portugal and they were not allowed to fly there. reusrename Jul 2013 #17

A tech stop is planned intaglio Jul 2013 #32

Portugal was refusing permission to land, not entry into their airspace, afaict. reusrename Jul 2013 #38

We have countries saying their airspace was indeed closed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #19

And no attempt to check the plane for Snowden? That's the smoking gun. dkf Jul 2013 #24

"France did not deny this aircraft access to its airspace" - apparently they did PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #26

Emphasis mine intaglio Jul 2013 #34

Confirming that they weren't granted permission initially as was Morales' claim. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #36

Also....Austria said that inspecting the passports of passengers is standard procedure Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #28

Yeah, I bet they do that with every head of state whose plane lands in Vienna! markpkessinger Jul 2013 #49

Even Morales said he regretted offering Snowden asylum. MADem Jul 2013 #40

So now the NY Times is making shit up . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #48

^^^^^^^^^^ Good summary Intaglio, thank you flamingdem Jul 2013 #70

I'm not sure which bothers me the most about this incident... malthaussen Jul 2013 #12

The stupidity of the deniers is starting to bother me a little. reusrename Jul 2013 #18

Only a Paulbot would deny that Morales drove his plane from Moscow to Austria bobduca Jul 2013 #20

Thanks, I missed that one. Hilarity. reusrename Jul 2013 #21

It's not stupidity... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jul 2013 #29

I do so agree intaglio Jul 2013 #35

You mean people who actually look at the evidence intaglio Jul 2013 #33

I am talking about someone so stupid that they believe a jet doesn't need fuel. reusrename Jul 2013 #37

Even more staggeringly stupid are those who believe that five countries sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #86

If John Kerry wasn't involved in this, then wouldn't someone be fired already? reusrename Jul 2013 #87

Nice bon mot! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #42

K&R. (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #41

By way of retaliation for this "...grave offense to their entire region..." the entire region bike man Jul 2013 #52

Thank You. I keep asking what their being "pissed off" really means in... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #53

It's misery everytime I read one of your posts. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #59

"Love and Hip Hop"? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #60

Love and Basketball is that better? ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #63

I think I've allowed you to take up enough of my time. "Love and Hip Hop" indeed. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #64

Indeed! *diot! ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #65

"*diot"? Namecalling? Very clever. Perhaps you haven't read the TOS. You're allowed to call.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #71

As Martin Luther King said.. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #73

For all your flowery rhetoric, I wonder how many people MLK called an "idiot"? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #75

I'm not actually speaking to you in a literal sense... ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #76

Bolivia has >50% of the world's lithium reserves. Electric cars, maybe? AlinPA Jul 2013 #61

Who has the other 50%? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #62

Chile (most current production), China, Argentina, few others. AlinPA Jul 2013 #66

I read an article that said Afghanistan might have the largest reserves, but we aren't beholden to.. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #67

Yep. Money means a lot. Bolivia has a lot of lithium in the ground, not any large production yet AlinPA Jul 2013 #74

In the cold war, this could have been WWIII markiv Jul 2013 #72