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82. Here are two examples that show Morales' claim about his flight plan are not accurate:

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:09 PM

Jul 2013

In Spain, the answer was a bit more direct, coming in a statement on the website of the Spanish Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

“Yesterday Spain received an authorization request for President Evo Morales’ plane to fly and stop over in Las Palmas from Moscow, which was duly granted,” the statement read, in direct contradiction to Morales’ tale and flight path. “The presidential plane ultimately landed in Vienna. In the early hours of this morning, Bolivian authorities have requested an updated flight authorization for President Evo Morales to fly and stop over on his return to Bolivia. This authorization was issued by Spain this morning.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/03/3484030/denial-of-european-airspace-for.html#storylink=cpy

Mr Garcia-Margallo denied reports that Spain - along with France, Portugal and Italy - had closed its airspace to the plane.

He said the delay in Austria meant the flight permit had expired and had to be renewed, so there was "no need to apologise".

Mr Garcia-Margallo's comment is the first official recognition by the European states that the incident with Mr Morales' plane was connected with the Snowden affair
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23201767

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Pres. Obama should apologize to President Morales [View all] quinnox Jul 2013 OP

Cowboy diplomacy dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #1

uh. no he shouldn't. I refuse to vote for him if he does apologize Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #2

YOU WANT TED NUGENT FOR PRESIDENT! OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #22

Ugh. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #3

That would be the honorable thing to do. nt. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #4

He should...but won't. The Link Jul 2013 #5

He already apolgized for the US spreading syphilis in Guatemala the 1940's think Jul 2013 #6

Why? Do they have proof the president ordered it. If you are saying he should try to make nice hrmjustin Jul 2013 #7

If the CIA ordered it should anyone apologize? Maybe Booz Allen will step forward..... think Jul 2013 #9

If Russia started the rumor, who should step forward... KittyWampus Jul 2013 #30

So the current diversionary tactic is to blame this on the Russians? Maedhros Jul 2013 #53

Of course it makes no sense. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #106

I don't know which is worse Maedhros Jul 2013 #125

LOL! it wouldn't have a damned thing with 'trusting' Russia. Or do you think rumors are leaked KittyWampus Jul 2013 #145

Putin? think Jul 2013 #60

Do you have a map handy that diagrams your alleged rumor mongering? Melinda Jul 2013 #64

Do you have anything, ANYTHING to indicate where the rumor started. Anything at all? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #146

No, and neither do you. But that doesn't stop you from accusing Russia or others. Melinda Jul 2013 #155

do you have any evidence whatsoever that russia is responsible? frylock Jul 2013 #72

No more than you have anything indicating it came from Obama, the NSA, the CIA etc KittyWampus Jul 2013 #147

well, other than the call made to the austrian foreign minister by the us ambassador.. frylock Jul 2013 #153

Truly embarrassing LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #94

This is getting hilarious! morningfog Jul 2013 #114

yes, the stupidity truly is. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #148

Morales spent 13 hours in the Vienna airport. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #135

And that has to do with where the rumor about Snowden started� which apparently the source of this KittyWampus Jul 2013 #149

Here it is. My translation is fairly loose but accurate as to meaning. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #158

Is that where the buck stops? chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #52

If you are speaking dollars no. Those bucks stop at the Carlyle Group think Jul 2013 #59

+1 Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #11

My GOD, how much worse do you want it to get sibelian Jul 2013 #42

But did Obama do it? NO! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #43

well... sibelian Jul 2013 #58

By saying anything it might be taken as an admission of guilt by some. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #61

Well, that carries the unfortunate consequence of calling Morales a liar. sibelian Jul 2013 #65

That is not proof. I don't like the idea of calling him a liar but he is making accusations hrmjustin Jul 2013 #68

Whatever happens, I think he'd better say something, and soon. sibelian Jul 2013 #92

I think he should just wait and let the Europeans deal with it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #101

Leaving the Europeans hanging out to dry... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #108

If they got proof that we were the ring leaders on this then they should just say it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #110

Europeans already saying CIA involvement. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #115

I don't think he is arrogant. I am sure there is more to the story, but stopping the presidents hrmjustin Jul 2013 #117

It was a collossal US fuck-up. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #121

We will find out soon enough. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #122

You think this would have been done over his strong objections? lark Jul 2013 #84

I am not saying he tried to stop it but there is no proof the president ordered it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #89

The buck stops at his desk lark Jul 2013 #96

No I have not heard anything. But again I say there is still no evidence. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #99

It's already being reported that our ambassador was the one who started the Snowden rumour. lark Jul 2013 #104

Where was this reported? I heard our ambassador talked to the Austrians that night but that is all I hrmjustin Jul 2013 #105

Ever heard of Caretha Jul 2013 #163

If he is responsible for this then yes he should say sorry. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #168

The longer they don't stand up and take responsibility, morningfog Jul 2013 #8

They are already breaking silence and pointing the finger at the US. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #111

The State Dept kicked it back to Europe hoping each of the justifications that each nation morningfog Jul 2013 #113

Dear President Morales: Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #10

Hit send. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #15

... and .... done. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #17

haha! treestar Jul 2013 #24

FTW CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #31

Stings a bit, huh? sibelian Jul 2013 #47

? Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #50

$ sibelian Jul 2013 #62

# Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #81

omg savalez Jul 2013 #77

Love it! Rstrstx Jul 2013 #109

Congratulations you win the Ugly American award for the thread! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #119

Let's examine this: Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #140

That's not examing it, though, is it, Buzz? sibelian Jul 2013 #161

The post to which you responded was making a big point. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #165

Brilliant! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #159

I for one do not think Caretha Jul 2013 #164

The incident? Not funny. The demand for an apology? Funny! Your attempt to insult me? Priceless. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #166

Thank you Caretha LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #169

Fuck Morales.. HipChick Jul 2013 #12

Proof of what? That Snowden isn't and never was on that airplane? n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #21

Very odd that no proof is needed that the US treestar Jul 2013 #25

Oh, I see. I guess we'll put the blame on them because we never, ever Cleita Jul 2013 #27

What? treestar Jul 2013 #40

Well, if you see logic in your statement, I feel there is no point in taking this any further. Cleita Jul 2013 #44

So not seeing things as you see them is a "refusal to see the truth?" treestar Jul 2013 #54

I'm seeing facts. I don't know what you are seeing. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #55

What facts? treestar Jul 2013 #66

Open your eyes LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #112

They had already landed treestar Jul 2013 #132

It's all very clear, HipChick. sibelian Jul 2013 #49

then what is your excuse? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #151

yes, fuck morales.. frylock Jul 2013 #75

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #116

"Fuck Morales"? That's like saying, "Fuck Nelson Mandela!" Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #118

+ 1000 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #124

Giving the middle-finger to Latin America is going to lose latino votes for Democrars. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #129

He should apologize. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #13

I think he should take grandstanding lessons from him first BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #14

+1. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #20

I don't think a head of state objecting to being held against his will is "grandstanding". sibelian Jul 2013 #63

You underestimate him BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #74

Ye-es. sibelian Jul 2013 #91

yes, he's quite uppity and should learn his place. frylock Jul 2013 #154

And not just apologize but rectify. But he won't do either n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #16

he scores points by pissing off foreigners Enrique Jul 2013 #18

+ a million, every word is true quinnox Jul 2013 #26

gonna have to disagree, Enrique Skittles Jul 2013 #79

Yes he would. Puglover Jul 2013 #141

If not him, at least the State Department should. Cleita Jul 2013 #19

No he should not treestar Jul 2013 #23

Righting a wrong is disgusting? Cleita Jul 2013 #29

you'd have to have some credible evidence that the USA started the rumor Snowden was onboard. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #33

It seems more than one of these nations are telling the same story. Cleita Jul 2013 #35

Did I miss credible authorities stating the USA spread the rumor? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #46

I guess you did because the articles and links to them have been all over DU for the Cleita Jul 2013 #51

A "wrong" that has not been proven treestar Jul 2013 #38

It has been proven but you rather not see it. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #48

What is the proof? treestar Jul 2013 #57

You mean to tell us zeemike Jul 2013 #73

It might not be wrong treestar Jul 2013 #103

Well he was not allowed to leave or follow his flight plan zeemike Jul 2013 #126

What has Bush to do with this? treestar Jul 2013 #130

And they did to land in La Palma zeemike Jul 2013 #136

Was there evidence that Bush did whatever you are talking about? treestar Jul 2013 #137

No there is no evidence. zeemike Jul 2013 #142

So you are making the CIC responsible for all that goes on treestar Jul 2013 #150

Love ... dawg Jul 2013 #32

Why? dbackjon Jul 2013 #28

Everyone South of the border, with the exceptions of ex-Pat fellow Americans Cleita Jul 2013 #34

Every American is Anti-Hispanic? Everyone south of the Border is anti-American? dbackjon Jul 2013 #37

What millions and millions? Most just want to work here for more money and then go home. Cleita Jul 2013 #39

Well, you don't see too much anti-British sentiment around, do ya? dbackjon Jul 2013 #67

I have been in Bolivia and Venezuela. The natives are very friendly and helpful to Cleita Jul 2013 #70

"...and deflect from their horrid records at home." Chapter and verse, please! Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #139

fuck diplomacy! frylock Jul 2013 #78

Diplomacy requires cooperation on both sides dbackjon Jul 2013 #80

america fuck yeah! frylock Jul 2013 #85

I see you are just a mindless tool dbackjon Jul 2013 #88

no, i get it dood. those people need to know their place. morales is getting a bit too uppity.. frylock Jul 2013 #143

Morales is "using this"? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #98

Why? Everything I have seen confirms that fly over wasn't denied. When the flight path was filed okaawhatever Jul 2013 #36

There are plenty of links out there that say differently. If you have further information Cleita Jul 2013 #41

Here are two examples that show Morales' claim about his flight plan are not accurate: okaawhatever Jul 2013 #82

They have been denying and then admitting all over the place. It depends on what Cleita Jul 2013 #86

I think the discrepancy lies not in IF they denied the flight, but WHEN. I believe he was denied okaawhatever Jul 2013 #128

If your source is NASCAR then please say so. byeya Jul 2013 #45

There comes a stage when looking for things that make you comfortable stops working. sibelian Jul 2013 #71

Leaving your personal attacks aside, there are two separate claims. One that he was denied air space okaawhatever Jul 2013 #97

Oh, please SPARE us all your wincing, flinching bollocks about "personal attacks"... sibelian Jul 2013 #107

Are you English by chance? nt okaawhatever Jul 2013 #134

... sibelian Jul 2013 #162

It would be the anti-bush thing to do but we all know... Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #56

Yes. And they might as well forget about hunting down Snowden. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #69

President Obama should apologize to DEMOCRATS! xtraxritical Jul 2013 #76

thank you, that is a very good point quinnox Jul 2013 #83

Bush lives on, you can see it in this thread LittleBlue Jul 2013 #87

The only evident diplomatic incident is right here on DU liberal N proud Jul 2013 #90

south america seems a bit wadded up over the incident, but who cares about THOSE people.. frylock Jul 2013 #156

President Obama should ProSense Jul 2013 #93

Oh snap. great white snark Jul 2013 #133

Or go on Fox And Friends.. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #160

he should say SOMETHING at least but i just saw a photo of him on his way to golf xiamiam Jul 2013 #95

If he could sit down with a racist Cambridge cop and a Harvard professor for a beer... Octafish Jul 2013 #100

How about Austria, France and Spain? treestar Jul 2013 #102

and Poland! Don't forget Poland! HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #120

If Things Turn Out As Reported DallasNE Jul 2013 #123

Wait till things get sorted out? What are you doing on the DU? great white snark Jul 2013 #131

Obama has nothing to apologize for mwrguy Jul 2013 #138

this is a koch brothers conspiracy? really?! frylock Jul 2013 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #144

Now you've gone and done it! The Federal Cultists here will tear you apart for saying that! Rex Jul 2013 #152

This is the same sort of bonehead moves... 99Forever Jul 2013 #167