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113. The State Dept kicked it back to Europe hoping each of the justifications that each nation

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:44 PM

Jul 2013

gave would suffice to make the story go away. It failed, thanks to Morales and other SA nations refusing to be rolled over.

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Pres. Obama should apologize to President Morales [View all] quinnox Jul 2013 OP

Cowboy diplomacy dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #1

uh. no he shouldn't. I refuse to vote for him if he does apologize Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #2

YOU WANT TED NUGENT FOR PRESIDENT! OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #22

Ugh. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #3

That would be the honorable thing to do. nt. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #4

He should...but won't. The Link Jul 2013 #5

He already apolgized for the US spreading syphilis in Guatemala the 1940's think Jul 2013 #6

Why? Do they have proof the president ordered it. If you are saying he should try to make nice hrmjustin Jul 2013 #7

If the CIA ordered it should anyone apologize? Maybe Booz Allen will step forward..... think Jul 2013 #9

If Russia started the rumor, who should step forward... KittyWampus Jul 2013 #30

So the current diversionary tactic is to blame this on the Russians? Maedhros Jul 2013 #53

Of course it makes no sense. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #106

I don't know which is worse Maedhros Jul 2013 #125

LOL! it wouldn't have a damned thing with 'trusting' Russia. Or do you think rumors are leaked KittyWampus Jul 2013 #145

Putin? think Jul 2013 #60

Do you have a map handy that diagrams your alleged rumor mongering? Melinda Jul 2013 #64

Do you have anything, ANYTHING to indicate where the rumor started. Anything at all? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #146

No, and neither do you. But that doesn't stop you from accusing Russia or others. Melinda Jul 2013 #155

do you have any evidence whatsoever that russia is responsible? frylock Jul 2013 #72

No more than you have anything indicating it came from Obama, the NSA, the CIA etc KittyWampus Jul 2013 #147

well, other than the call made to the austrian foreign minister by the us ambassador.. frylock Jul 2013 #153

Truly embarrassing LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #94

This is getting hilarious! morningfog Jul 2013 #114

yes, the stupidity truly is. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #148

Morales spent 13 hours in the Vienna airport. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #135

And that has to do with where the rumor about Snowden started� which apparently the source of this KittyWampus Jul 2013 #149

Here it is. My translation is fairly loose but accurate as to meaning. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #158

Is that where the buck stops? chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #52

If you are speaking dollars no. Those bucks stop at the Carlyle Group think Jul 2013 #59

+1 Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #11

My GOD, how much worse do you want it to get sibelian Jul 2013 #42

But did Obama do it? NO! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #43

well... sibelian Jul 2013 #58

By saying anything it might be taken as an admission of guilt by some. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #61

Well, that carries the unfortunate consequence of calling Morales a liar. sibelian Jul 2013 #65

That is not proof. I don't like the idea of calling him a liar but he is making accusations hrmjustin Jul 2013 #68

Whatever happens, I think he'd better say something, and soon. sibelian Jul 2013 #92

I think he should just wait and let the Europeans deal with it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #101

Leaving the Europeans hanging out to dry... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #108

If they got proof that we were the ring leaders on this then they should just say it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #110

Europeans already saying CIA involvement. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #115

I don't think he is arrogant. I am sure there is more to the story, but stopping the presidents hrmjustin Jul 2013 #117

It was a collossal US fuck-up. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #121

We will find out soon enough. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #122

You think this would have been done over his strong objections? lark Jul 2013 #84

I am not saying he tried to stop it but there is no proof the president ordered it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #89

The buck stops at his desk lark Jul 2013 #96

No I have not heard anything. But again I say there is still no evidence. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #99

It's already being reported that our ambassador was the one who started the Snowden rumour. lark Jul 2013 #104

Where was this reported? I heard our ambassador talked to the Austrians that night but that is all I hrmjustin Jul 2013 #105

Ever heard of Caretha Jul 2013 #163

If he is responsible for this then yes he should say sorry. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #168

The longer they don't stand up and take responsibility, morningfog Jul 2013 #8

They are already breaking silence and pointing the finger at the US. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #111

The State Dept kicked it back to Europe hoping each of the justifications that each nation morningfog Jul 2013 #113

Dear President Morales: Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #10

Hit send. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #15

... and .... done. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #17

haha! treestar Jul 2013 #24

FTW CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #31

Stings a bit, huh? sibelian Jul 2013 #47

? Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #50

$ sibelian Jul 2013 #62

# Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #81

omg savalez Jul 2013 #77

Love it! Rstrstx Jul 2013 #109

Congratulations you win the Ugly American award for the thread! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #119

Let's examine this: Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #140

That's not examing it, though, is it, Buzz? sibelian Jul 2013 #161

The post to which you responded was making a big point. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #165

Brilliant! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #159

I for one do not think Caretha Jul 2013 #164

The incident? Not funny. The demand for an apology? Funny! Your attempt to insult me? Priceless. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #166

Thank you Caretha LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #169

Fuck Morales.. HipChick Jul 2013 #12

Proof of what? That Snowden isn't and never was on that airplane? n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #21

Very odd that no proof is needed that the US treestar Jul 2013 #25

Oh, I see. I guess we'll put the blame on them because we never, ever Cleita Jul 2013 #27

What? treestar Jul 2013 #40

Well, if you see logic in your statement, I feel there is no point in taking this any further. Cleita Jul 2013 #44

So not seeing things as you see them is a "refusal to see the truth?" treestar Jul 2013 #54

I'm seeing facts. I don't know what you are seeing. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #55

What facts? treestar Jul 2013 #66

Open your eyes LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #112

They had already landed treestar Jul 2013 #132

It's all very clear, HipChick. sibelian Jul 2013 #49

then what is your excuse? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #151

yes, fuck morales.. frylock Jul 2013 #75

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #116

"Fuck Morales"? That's like saying, "Fuck Nelson Mandela!" Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #118

+ 1000 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #124

Giving the middle-finger to Latin America is going to lose latino votes for Democrars. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #129

He should apologize. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #13

I think he should take grandstanding lessons from him first BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #14

+1. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #20

I don't think a head of state objecting to being held against his will is "grandstanding". sibelian Jul 2013 #63

You underestimate him BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #74

Ye-es. sibelian Jul 2013 #91

yes, he's quite uppity and should learn his place. frylock Jul 2013 #154

And not just apologize but rectify. But he won't do either n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #16

he scores points by pissing off foreigners Enrique Jul 2013 #18

+ a million, every word is true quinnox Jul 2013 #26

gonna have to disagree, Enrique Skittles Jul 2013 #79

Yes he would. Puglover Jul 2013 #141

If not him, at least the State Department should. Cleita Jul 2013 #19

No he should not treestar Jul 2013 #23

Righting a wrong is disgusting? Cleita Jul 2013 #29

you'd have to have some credible evidence that the USA started the rumor Snowden was onboard. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #33

It seems more than one of these nations are telling the same story. Cleita Jul 2013 #35

Did I miss credible authorities stating the USA spread the rumor? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #46

I guess you did because the articles and links to them have been all over DU for the Cleita Jul 2013 #51

A "wrong" that has not been proven treestar Jul 2013 #38

It has been proven but you rather not see it. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #48

What is the proof? treestar Jul 2013 #57

You mean to tell us zeemike Jul 2013 #73

It might not be wrong treestar Jul 2013 #103

Well he was not allowed to leave or follow his flight plan zeemike Jul 2013 #126

What has Bush to do with this? treestar Jul 2013 #130

And they did to land in La Palma zeemike Jul 2013 #136

Was there evidence that Bush did whatever you are talking about? treestar Jul 2013 #137

No there is no evidence. zeemike Jul 2013 #142

So you are making the CIC responsible for all that goes on treestar Jul 2013 #150

Love ... dawg Jul 2013 #32

Why? dbackjon Jul 2013 #28

Everyone South of the border, with the exceptions of ex-Pat fellow Americans Cleita Jul 2013 #34

Every American is Anti-Hispanic? Everyone south of the Border is anti-American? dbackjon Jul 2013 #37

What millions and millions? Most just want to work here for more money and then go home. Cleita Jul 2013 #39

Well, you don't see too much anti-British sentiment around, do ya? dbackjon Jul 2013 #67

I have been in Bolivia and Venezuela. The natives are very friendly and helpful to Cleita Jul 2013 #70

"...and deflect from their horrid records at home." Chapter and verse, please! Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #139

fuck diplomacy! frylock Jul 2013 #78

Diplomacy requires cooperation on both sides dbackjon Jul 2013 #80

america fuck yeah! frylock Jul 2013 #85

I see you are just a mindless tool dbackjon Jul 2013 #88

no, i get it dood. those people need to know their place. morales is getting a bit too uppity.. frylock Jul 2013 #143

Morales is "using this"? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #98

Why? Everything I have seen confirms that fly over wasn't denied. When the flight path was filed okaawhatever Jul 2013 #36

There are plenty of links out there that say differently. If you have further information Cleita Jul 2013 #41

Here are two examples that show Morales' claim about his flight plan are not accurate: okaawhatever Jul 2013 #82

They have been denying and then admitting all over the place. It depends on what Cleita Jul 2013 #86

I think the discrepancy lies not in IF they denied the flight, but WHEN. I believe he was denied okaawhatever Jul 2013 #128

If your source is NASCAR then please say so. byeya Jul 2013 #45

There comes a stage when looking for things that make you comfortable stops working. sibelian Jul 2013 #71

Leaving your personal attacks aside, there are two separate claims. One that he was denied air space okaawhatever Jul 2013 #97

Oh, please SPARE us all your wincing, flinching bollocks about "personal attacks"... sibelian Jul 2013 #107

Are you English by chance? nt okaawhatever Jul 2013 #134

... sibelian Jul 2013 #162

It would be the anti-bush thing to do but we all know... Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #56

Yes. And they might as well forget about hunting down Snowden. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #69

President Obama should apologize to DEMOCRATS! xtraxritical Jul 2013 #76

thank you, that is a very good point quinnox Jul 2013 #83

Bush lives on, you can see it in this thread LittleBlue Jul 2013 #87

The only evident diplomatic incident is right here on DU liberal N proud Jul 2013 #90

south america seems a bit wadded up over the incident, but who cares about THOSE people.. frylock Jul 2013 #156

President Obama should ProSense Jul 2013 #93

Oh snap. great white snark Jul 2013 #133

Or go on Fox And Friends.. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #160

he should say SOMETHING at least but i just saw a photo of him on his way to golf xiamiam Jul 2013 #95

If he could sit down with a racist Cambridge cop and a Harvard professor for a beer... Octafish Jul 2013 #100

How about Austria, France and Spain? treestar Jul 2013 #102

and Poland! Don't forget Poland! HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #120

If Things Turn Out As Reported DallasNE Jul 2013 #123

Wait till things get sorted out? What are you doing on the DU? great white snark Jul 2013 #131

Obama has nothing to apologize for mwrguy Jul 2013 #138

this is a koch brothers conspiracy? really?! frylock Jul 2013 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #144

Now you've gone and done it! The Federal Cultists here will tear you apart for saying that! Rex Jul 2013 #152

This is the same sort of bonehead moves... 99Forever Jul 2013 #167