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Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
118. "Fuck Morales"? That's like saying, "Fuck Nelson Mandela!"
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:53 PM
Jul 2013

Morales IS the 'Nelson Mandela' of South America. He has courageously and brilliantly led a political/social revolution peacefully overturning more than a century of white apartheid, in a country with an Indigenous majority, and has not only helped establish democracy in Bolivia but did so in the face of U.S. (Bush Junta) open collusion with a violent white separatist coup attempt in 2008 (--funded and organized it right out of the U.S. embassy).

Your post could not be more offensive to the brown-skinned peoples of Latin America! And President Obama's failure to condemn the diversion of an OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL JET, and the violation of a number of international laws as well as gross violation of diplomatic protocol, is offensive like your post is. Given, also, that it is extremely likely (a no-brainer, really) that the U.S. was behind this incident, President Obama has an obligation to mend it, but I doubt that he will. He seems quite comfortable in the role of front bully and liar for the U.S. "military-industrial complex."

There are a number of things President Obama should do, including granting Snowden immunity and inviting him home to detail for Obama, and for all of us ,everything that he knows about our out-of-control MIC. That would be the right thing to do in a functioning democracy--instead of hunting him down to punish and silence him, and, not incidentally, insulting and possibly endangering the elected and revered president of a Latin American country! Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld--those monstrous scofflaws and criminals--would approve of hunting, silencing and insulting. And they would cheer on your "Fuck Morales!" too. What an attitude!

Many of us feel real despair that Obama will ever do the right thing with regard to the MIC, the banksters, Bush Junta war crimes, gross violations of constitutional and human rights, and other absolutely vital matters. He seems to be the tool of these outlaw forces, not their master. You can try to hide from this reality--a lot of people do--and I can understand that. We are living through a very difficult time, as a country. But try not to defensively blame or dismiss or insult other countries' leaders who criticize this country and/or who are its intended victims--who are always having to look out for the U.S.-funded rifleman or fascist coup plotters trying to kill them or overthrow their legitimate government. It is not their fault that the U.S. has become a bully imperium.

It may be too much to ask that one man turn it around--President Obama. He probably wouldn't live long if he tried to. It will take all of us--and a great democracy revolution here. But at the least he could set a tone for reform--such as immunizing Snowden and welcoming his revelations--and attacking some of the structural problems of our democracy, such as the corporate-controlled 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines (all over the U.S.). He doesn't even do this. Maybe he can't--maybe the deals he made to become president forbid it. In that case, it's entirely up to us--to the people of this country--to restore democracy here. But it does no good to get your back up, defensively, and defend the indefensible, and revile the victim, just because Barack Obama is president. That is not good citizenship.

Imagine Bolivians and other Latin Americans reading your post. With the internet, it could go far and wide. You don't believe Morales (and others) that the U.S. was behind this? Fine, you don't have to believe it. But, "Fuck Morales"? If that "goes viral," it will merely help confirm most Latin Americans in their view that that is exactly what the U.S. government did to Morales in this instance, and is doing to them in many other instances, and has done to them for more than half a century. Fuck Latin America!

Please take it back.

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Cowboy diplomacy dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #1
uh. no he shouldn't. I refuse to vote for him if he does apologize Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #2
YOU WANT TED NUGENT FOR PRESIDENT! OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #22
Ugh. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #3
That would be the honorable thing to do. nt. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #4
He should...but won't. The Link Jul 2013 #5
He already apolgized for the US spreading syphilis in Guatemala the 1940's think Jul 2013 #6
Why? Do they have proof the president ordered it. If you are saying he should try to make nice hrmjustin Jul 2013 #7
If the CIA ordered it should anyone apologize? Maybe Booz Allen will step forward..... think Jul 2013 #9
If Russia started the rumor, who should step forward... KittyWampus Jul 2013 #30
So the current diversionary tactic is to blame this on the Russians? Maedhros Jul 2013 #53
Of course it makes no sense. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #106
I don't know which is worse Maedhros Jul 2013 #125
LOL! it wouldn't have a damned thing with 'trusting' Russia. Or do you think rumors are leaked KittyWampus Jul 2013 #145
Putin? think Jul 2013 #60
Do you have a map handy that diagrams your alleged rumor mongering? Melinda Jul 2013 #64
Do you have anything, ANYTHING to indicate where the rumor started. Anything at all? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #146
No, and neither do you. But that doesn't stop you from accusing Russia or others. Melinda Jul 2013 #155
do you have any evidence whatsoever that russia is responsible? frylock Jul 2013 #72
No more than you have anything indicating it came from Obama, the NSA, the CIA etc KittyWampus Jul 2013 #147
well, other than the call made to the austrian foreign minister by the us ambassador.. frylock Jul 2013 #153
Truly embarrassing LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #94
This is getting hilarious! morningfog Jul 2013 #114
yes, the stupidity truly is. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #148
Morales spent 13 hours in the Vienna airport. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #135
And that has to do with where the rumor about Snowden started… which apparently the source of this KittyWampus Jul 2013 #149
Here it is. My translation is fairly loose but accurate as to meaning. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #158
Is that where the buck stops? chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #52
If you are speaking dollars no. Those bucks stop at the Carlyle Group think Jul 2013 #59
+1 Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #11
My GOD, how much worse do you want it to get sibelian Jul 2013 #42
But did Obama do it? NO! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #43
well... sibelian Jul 2013 #58
By saying anything it might be taken as an admission of guilt by some. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #61
Well, that carries the unfortunate consequence of calling Morales a liar. sibelian Jul 2013 #65
That is not proof. I don't like the idea of calling him a liar but he is making accusations hrmjustin Jul 2013 #68
Whatever happens, I think he'd better say something, and soon. sibelian Jul 2013 #92
I think he should just wait and let the Europeans deal with it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #101
Leaving the Europeans hanging out to dry... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #108
If they got proof that we were the ring leaders on this then they should just say it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #110
Europeans already saying CIA involvement. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #115
I don't think he is arrogant. I am sure there is more to the story, but stopping the presidents hrmjustin Jul 2013 #117
It was a collossal US fuck-up. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #121
We will find out soon enough. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #122
You think this would have been done over his strong objections? lark Jul 2013 #84
I am not saying he tried to stop it but there is no proof the president ordered it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #89
The buck stops at his desk lark Jul 2013 #96
No I have not heard anything. But again I say there is still no evidence. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #99
It's already being reported that our ambassador was the one who started the Snowden rumour. lark Jul 2013 #104
Where was this reported? I heard our ambassador talked to the Austrians that night but that is all I hrmjustin Jul 2013 #105
Ever heard of Caretha Jul 2013 #163
If he is responsible for this then yes he should say sorry. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #168
The longer they don't stand up and take responsibility, morningfog Jul 2013 #8
They are already breaking silence and pointing the finger at the US. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #111
The State Dept kicked it back to Europe hoping each of the justifications that each nation morningfog Jul 2013 #113
Dear President Morales: Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #10
Hit send. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #15
... and .... done. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #17
haha! treestar Jul 2013 #24
FTW CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #31
Stings a bit, huh? sibelian Jul 2013 #47
? Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #50
$ sibelian Jul 2013 #62
# Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #81
omg savalez Jul 2013 #77
Love it! Rstrstx Jul 2013 #109
Congratulations you win the Ugly American award for the thread! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #119
Let's examine this: Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #140
That's not examing it, though, is it, Buzz? sibelian Jul 2013 #161
The post to which you responded was making a big point. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #165
Brilliant! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #159
I for one do not think Caretha Jul 2013 #164
The incident? Not funny. The demand for an apology? Funny! Your attempt to insult me? Priceless. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #166
Thank you Caretha LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #169
Fuck Morales.. HipChick Jul 2013 #12
Proof of what? That Snowden isn't and never was on that airplane? n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #21
Very odd that no proof is needed that the US treestar Jul 2013 #25
Oh, I see. I guess we'll put the blame on them because we never, ever Cleita Jul 2013 #27
What? treestar Jul 2013 #40
Well, if you see logic in your statement, I feel there is no point in taking this any further. Cleita Jul 2013 #44
So not seeing things as you see them is a "refusal to see the truth?" treestar Jul 2013 #54
I'm seeing facts. I don't know what you are seeing. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #55
What facts? treestar Jul 2013 #66
Open your eyes LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #112
They had already landed treestar Jul 2013 #132
It's all very clear, HipChick. sibelian Jul 2013 #49
then what is your excuse? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #151
yes, fuck morales.. frylock Jul 2013 #75
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #116
"Fuck Morales"? That's like saying, "Fuck Nelson Mandela!" Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #118
+ 1000 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #124
Giving the middle-finger to Latin America is going to lose latino votes for Democrars. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #129
He should apologize. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #13
I think he should take grandstanding lessons from him first BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #14
+1. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #20
I don't think a head of state objecting to being held against his will is "grandstanding". sibelian Jul 2013 #63
You underestimate him BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #74
Ye-es. sibelian Jul 2013 #91
yes, he's quite uppity and should learn his place. frylock Jul 2013 #154
And not just apologize but rectify. But he won't do either n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #16
he scores points by pissing off foreigners Enrique Jul 2013 #18
+ a million, every word is true quinnox Jul 2013 #26
gonna have to disagree, Enrique Skittles Jul 2013 #79
Yes he would. Puglover Jul 2013 #141
If not him, at least the State Department should. Cleita Jul 2013 #19
No he should not treestar Jul 2013 #23
Righting a wrong is disgusting? Cleita Jul 2013 #29
you'd have to have some credible evidence that the USA started the rumor Snowden was onboard. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #33
It seems more than one of these nations are telling the same story. Cleita Jul 2013 #35
Did I miss credible authorities stating the USA spread the rumor? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #46
I guess you did because the articles and links to them have been all over DU for the Cleita Jul 2013 #51
A "wrong" that has not been proven treestar Jul 2013 #38
It has been proven but you rather not see it. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #48
What is the proof? treestar Jul 2013 #57
You mean to tell us zeemike Jul 2013 #73
It might not be wrong treestar Jul 2013 #103
Well he was not allowed to leave or follow his flight plan zeemike Jul 2013 #126
What has Bush to do with this? treestar Jul 2013 #130
And they did to land in La Palma zeemike Jul 2013 #136
Was there evidence that Bush did whatever you are talking about? treestar Jul 2013 #137
No there is no evidence. zeemike Jul 2013 #142
So you are making the CIC responsible for all that goes on treestar Jul 2013 #150
Love ... dawg Jul 2013 #32
Why? dbackjon Jul 2013 #28
Everyone South of the border, with the exceptions of ex-Pat fellow Americans Cleita Jul 2013 #34
Every American is Anti-Hispanic? Everyone south of the Border is anti-American? dbackjon Jul 2013 #37
What millions and millions? Most just want to work here for more money and then go home. Cleita Jul 2013 #39
Well, you don't see too much anti-British sentiment around, do ya? dbackjon Jul 2013 #67
I have been in Bolivia and Venezuela. The natives are very friendly and helpful to Cleita Jul 2013 #70
"...and deflect from their horrid records at home." Chapter and verse, please! Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #139
fuck diplomacy! frylock Jul 2013 #78
Diplomacy requires cooperation on both sides dbackjon Jul 2013 #80
america fuck yeah! frylock Jul 2013 #85
I see you are just a mindless tool dbackjon Jul 2013 #88
no, i get it dood. those people need to know their place. morales is getting a bit too uppity.. frylock Jul 2013 #143
Morales is "using this"? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #98
Why? Everything I have seen confirms that fly over wasn't denied. When the flight path was filed okaawhatever Jul 2013 #36
There are plenty of links out there that say differently. If you have further information Cleita Jul 2013 #41
Here are two examples that show Morales' claim about his flight plan are not accurate: okaawhatever Jul 2013 #82
They have been denying and then admitting all over the place. It depends on what Cleita Jul 2013 #86
I think the discrepancy lies not in IF they denied the flight, but WHEN. I believe he was denied okaawhatever Jul 2013 #128
If your source is NASCAR then please say so. byeya Jul 2013 #45
There comes a stage when looking for things that make you comfortable stops working. sibelian Jul 2013 #71
Leaving your personal attacks aside, there are two separate claims. One that he was denied air space okaawhatever Jul 2013 #97
Oh, please SPARE us all your wincing, flinching bollocks about "personal attacks"... sibelian Jul 2013 #107
Are you English by chance? nt okaawhatever Jul 2013 #134
... sibelian Jul 2013 #162
It would be the anti-bush thing to do but we all know... Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #56
Yes. And they might as well forget about hunting down Snowden. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #69
President Obama should apologize to DEMOCRATS! xtraxritical Jul 2013 #76
thank you, that is a very good point quinnox Jul 2013 #83
Bush lives on, you can see it in this thread LittleBlue Jul 2013 #87
The only evident diplomatic incident is right here on DU liberal N proud Jul 2013 #90
south america seems a bit wadded up over the incident, but who cares about THOSE people.. frylock Jul 2013 #156
President Obama should ProSense Jul 2013 #93
Oh snap. great white snark Jul 2013 #133
Or go on Fox And Friends.. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #160
he should say SOMETHING at least but i just saw a photo of him on his way to golf xiamiam Jul 2013 #95
If he could sit down with a racist Cambridge cop and a Harvard professor for a beer... Octafish Jul 2013 #100
How about Austria, France and Spain? treestar Jul 2013 #102
and Poland! Don't forget Poland! HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #120
If Things Turn Out As Reported DallasNE Jul 2013 #123
Wait till things get sorted out? What are you doing on the DU? great white snark Jul 2013 #131
Obama has nothing to apologize for mwrguy Jul 2013 #138
this is a koch brothers conspiracy? really?! frylock Jul 2013 #157
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #144
Now you've gone and done it! The Federal Cultists here will tear you apart for saying that! Rex Jul 2013 #152
This is the same sort of bonehead moves... 99Forever Jul 2013 #167
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