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Pholus

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22. And yet I didn't agree with her.

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:43 PM

Jul 2013

The equivalency that makes your position extremely questionable is:

"the US having any security at all" being represented by applying a Hoover (both machine and tactic) to everything electronic you can lay your hands on on a legal basis which must remain secret.

You show zero sense of proportion in any of our exchanges today. Calling out one secret is hating the concept that a state might have one. Calling out one questionable tactic is leaving us defenseless.

Calm down before you have a heart attack!

Furthermore, you already made it clear that you feel some kinship for Ann -- certainly you are excited by the same displays of power as she is. Too late to try to spin it around.

And trust me, during Bush I FORCED myself to read her crappy books to learn the mindset of the last set of authoritarian thugs. You want to echo her? Awesome, cause I can point that out. In that way, I am just like an NSA database....

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