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55. He's Hurting "Whisteblowers" By Running Away...

Reply to usGovOwesUs3Trillion (Reply #54)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 10:42 AM

Jul 2013

...and he become less and less relevant by the day. And with it so does your cause. Your hero Ellsberg stood trial...had a tremendous amount of public suppport that enabled his case to be widely reported and ended in exposing abuses of Johnson & Nixon's handling of Vietnam. Had he ran and avoided taking that stand those claims would never have been taken as seriously as they were. If Snowden has the good, bring 'em...prove 'em...the American people will respect and stand with him if and when he does so...including this one...

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Would Snowden really be safe in a smallish country? [View all] dkf Jul 2013 OP

Point is.. HipChick Jul 2013 #1

ESPECIALLY in a poor, small country. railsback Jul 2013 #2

I guess that eliminates Liechtenstein and San Marino. nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #3

Both countries are hoping to leverage his technical skills HipChick Jul 2013 #4

Yes, they're small railsback Jul 2013 #5

Probably Monaco, too, although it is a rich man's playground Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #6

Nicaragua seems like a bad idea for this very reason flamingdem Jul 2013 #39

And he'll never be "free". The DOJ has probably been building a case. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #25

Probably not. At least not in Venezuela and Nicaragua. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #7

one can still disappear in Bolivia mitchtv Jul 2013 #77

Safe from who? The US is a peaceful nation. We wouldn't harm a flea or a child The Straight Story Jul 2013 #8

He should talk to Branson... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #9

So the ProSense Jul 2013 #10

I don't think it's safe for him in the US. dkf Jul 2013 #11

Manning is military. Snowden is civilian. That's a guaranteed significant difference in treatment. stevenleser Jul 2013 #13

Unless they classify him as a terrorist or some other bit of shenanigan. dkf Jul 2013 #21

Tsarnaev is a terrorist and is classified that way. That's the treatment Snowden would get. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #22

We have a history of being nasty to "hackers." Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #23

If Snowden could get Mitnick's treatment, he'd probably be back here on the next plane stevenleser Jul 2013 #61

He was the original "evil hacker" Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #92

Mitnick served only about 5 years, and is now a MineralMan Jul 2013 #68

It was a bit long for for a stint. :3 nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #87

That depends on your point of view, I guess. MineralMan Jul 2013 #88

I honestly suspect that you would be in the minority. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #90

I often am. nt MineralMan Jul 2013 #91

Don't they have to use him as an example to discourage others? siligut Jul 2013 #75

Do you see a contradiction in Obama's encouragement of a discussion about this surveillance program JDPriestly Jul 2013 #32

Perhaps an analogy will help stevenleser Jul 2013 #63

We would not know about this program or be able to maybe, maybe take it to court without JDPriestly Jul 2013 #67

We've known for at least seven years per this USA Today article stevenleser Jul 2013 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author stevenleser Jul 2013 #12

There's an antidote to running and getting asylum stevenleser Jul 2013 #14

Didn't he have a Paula Deen problem of his own a while back? arely staircase Jul 2013 #17

Yes, in 2007 if I recall. Show was halted for a couple of years I think. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #19

he wouldn't last long in Bolivia mitchtv Jul 2013 #76

are you comparing Snowden to Osama bin Laden ? JI7 Jul 2013 #15

Well Venezuela has one of the, if not the, highest murder rate in the world arely staircase Jul 2013 #16

As a city, Caracas is the murder capital with more than double of CapeTown at #2. stevenleser Jul 2013 #18

I wonder why. arely staircase Jul 2013 #20

but do they have luxury hotel type places ? i assume those type of p laces are safe JI7 Jul 2013 #24

Instead of Letters from the Birmingham Jail, he can write arely staircase Jul 2013 #28

"Doesn't seem like he thought this whole thing through" VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #31

where in the world would he be safe from "our goons"? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #26

Russia maybe. China. Someone we can't mess with who won't do our bidding. dkf Jul 2013 #27

and yet neither wants to touch him with a ten foot pole Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #29

I think he tried those. arely staircase Jul 2013 #30

You have evidence? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #33

gladly arely staircase Jul 2013 #50

A list of HK websites hacked by NSA hardly seems very damaging. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #72

It absolutely is damaging Shivering Jemmy Jul 2013 #78

You know those sites were cyberwarfare sites? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #79

that was not for mr. snowden to decide or assume arely staircase Jul 2013 #80

Ok. So you don't know. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #81

i know he revealed classified information to th chinese arely staircase Jul 2013 #82

But you have no evidence. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #85

he really should face the music. if he isnt ashamed of his actions then needs to take ownership arely staircase Jul 2013 #86

I know why we hack universities in China. Shivering Jemmy Jul 2013 #83

He probably sold info so Putin wouldn't hand him to the yanks nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #40

And drones. silvershadow Jul 2013 #42

and the CIA... n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #45

Pakistan is a libertarian paradise JackintheGreen Jul 2013 #34

I don't want him safe! I want him in a JAIL CELL! Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #35

Why does there always need to be a element of human misery? MichaelMcGuire Jul 2013 #38

Well he is being charged with Espionage. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #41

I'm in no doubt they are charging him with espionage. MichaelMcGuire Jul 2013 #43

Yes, he has done a great job at highlighting things... Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #44

"for our enemies!" MichaelMcGuire Jul 2013 #46

Go ahead and make light of treason. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #47

"I want that monster behind bars! And he will end up there." MichaelMcGuire Jul 2013 #48

Yeah, like that is really going to stop him from answering for his crimes. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #49

Wow what an odd thing to say with your handle. dkf Jul 2013 #71

You know its not the size of the country that counts MichaelMcGuire Jul 2013 #36

Will His "Exile" Be His Prison... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #37

Beats torture in one of our hell holes anyday usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #52

Torture??? KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #53

Yes, torture. And like I said, being free beats that EVERYDAY. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #54

He's Hurting "Whisteblowers" By Running Away... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #55

Disagree. He is only hurting the totalitarians by remaining free. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #56

In Six Months... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #57

recent event's do not seem to bear out your take on this matter usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #59

The Fun Of History... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #65

is that there is at the least 2 sides usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #66

If the US is anywhere near as bad as you suggest, he's dead in 90 days or less. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #60

possibly usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #62

True, and no one will ever trust him. MH1 Jul 2013 #58

I can't bring myself to care Glorfindel Jul 2013 #51

The short answer to your question is, if China, Russia, or the US want you dead and are stevenleser Jul 2013 #64

Only really small, down-and-out countries will harbor fugitives... gulliver Jul 2013 #70

We harbor fugitives all the time including fallen dictators and others Cleita Jul 2013 #74

He's probably always going to be in some danger and will Cleita Jul 2013 #73

Safe from whom? Rex Jul 2013 #84

Why is this person entitled to break our laws treestar Jul 2013 #89