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35. Are you saying that the US will invade a sovereign nation to get someone who has been

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 10:42 PM

Jul 2013

granted asylum in that nation? Surely you know that is not possible, it is illegal. The Brits were on the verge of making a similar error in judgement when they considered invading the Ecuadoran Embassy to get Assange. Do you realize what the ramifications of such a move would be? All treaties regarding diplomatic immunity would instantly become null and void and OUR OWN DIPLOMATS would be in danger. Which is why the Brits were forced to back off that insane idea.

Only rogue governments violate International Diplomatic agreements among nations.
Once a political refugee receives asylum from a sovereign nation, that is that.

WE agreed to these rules and to violate them would negate any claims we have in the future to grant asylum to anyone. China, eg, would immediately demand the return of their political refugees and could easily come here and kidnap them at that point.

Amazing how little people seem to know, or is it care, about the structures of law, the treaties signed, the agreements between nations on matters such as this and the reasons why countries agree to them in the first place.

IF Snowden manages to get to any sovereign nation that grants him asylum the US better just accept that they cannot touch him there. As China, angry though they may be, cannot touch their political refugees granted asylum here.

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Argentinian sociologist Atilio Boron: United States orders to capture Snowden, wherever and however [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

This is getting more and more convoluted. Cleita Jul 2013 #1

Agreed. We are looking very bad Catherina Jul 2013 #3

Many of Europe's 'leaders' now are have connections to Goldman Sachs/Wall St. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #27

And Spain's ambassador Alberto Carnero, who ran up the ramp, only to be stopped at the front door Catherina Jul 2013 #123

A wonderful speech as would be expected of Morales, far too intelligent to be sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #125

Careful - The Cheerleaders Do Not Tolerate Dissonance Well - Interrupts Their Cadence Or Something cantbeserious Jul 2013 #2

Nothing like marching off a cliff because you're only looking up and *forward* n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #4

Ergo - The Apt Analogy With Sheep - Follow The Herd - Wherever That Might Lead cantbeserious Jul 2013 #5

unwarranted nasty comment nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #19

There Are Many Kinds Of Cheerleaders - It Is The Role Of Cheerleaders - To Support The Team cantbeserious Jul 2013 #26

Do you realize how simplistic you sound? Long term DUers are leaving due flamingdem Jul 2013 #28

By Definition Democrats Are Left Wing, Not Centrists, In The US Political System cantbeserious Jul 2013 #32

"This is not a left wing forum." Cleita Jul 2013 #38

Thank You For Adding That Feedback cantbeserious Jul 2013 #39

How about - this is not a conspiracy forum - the OP cites die presse a small flamingdem Jul 2013 #46

Oh, you don't get around much. There's been a lot more around the global internet than Cleita Jul 2013 #48

Post a link that attests to this, I've been searching a lot! flamingdem Jul 2013 #53

Try to google. It's all over the place. You do your own homework because Cleita Jul 2013 #55

Long-term DUers have been leaving here Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #63

It Is A Paradox - Some Leave Because DU Is Too Liberal, Or Too Centrist, Or Too Conservative cantbeserious Jul 2013 #66

Indeed. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #70

People leave when the balance tilts to nasty as it is now flamingdem Jul 2013 #74

It's really not any worse than it's ever been. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #76

When I think of election time it can be brutal flamingdem Jul 2013 #80

Thank you for not saying Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #93

he he I'm still on a rampage but slowing down flamingdem Jul 2013 #95

The less totalitarians usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #89

unwarranted nasty comment nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #90

And therein lies the fundamental problem with our party. Pab Sungenis Jul 2013 #130

i agree SwampG8r Jul 2013 #51

unwarranted nasty comment nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #21

agree again SwampG8r Jul 2013 #52

Completely warranted. Pab Sungenis Jul 2013 #128

Hilarious, I should count how many Snowden posts you throw up. Cause the claim is it's the KittyWampus Jul 2013 #6

There is a difference in posting about his resume/pole-dancing girlfriend and morningfog Jul 2013 #9

the other difference is that she posts actual information instead of hairbrained maps ..nt xiamiam Jul 2013 #10

unwarranted nasty comment nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #17

this one is based on truth SwampG8r Jul 2013 #54

I vaguely remember it flamingdem Jul 2013 #57

the actual map SwampG8r Jul 2013 #62

not even close to a tenth as many as ONE on your side of the debate has posted cali Jul 2013 #13

unwarranted nasty comment nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #18

Give it a rest. another_liberal Jul 2013 #36

unwarranted nasty comment flamingdem Jul 2013 #37

Then comment in a meaningful way, or stay out of it. another_liberal Jul 2013 #42

If you bothered to look I have several comments on this flamingdem Jul 2013 #44

And you have quite a few pointless, one line cheap shots as well. another_liberal Jul 2013 #49

You're persisting in you nasty short unwarranted comments flamingdem Jul 2013 #71

the post she is responding to SwampG8r Jul 2013 #67

not one iota nastier than the one I responded too cali Jul 2013 #78

I am curious why you hit all these threads Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #92

And Prosense actually engages with posters in her threads Number23 Jul 2013 #114

It's nice to see South America waking upo again malaise Jul 2013 #7

Thanks Malaise. It's so important to understand how others view our actions Catherina Jul 2013 #8

Yes, there are "green shoots" truebluegreen Jul 2013 #14

They shouldn't trust our motives at all. Cleita Jul 2013 #45

I have to disagree malaise Jul 2013 #118

Actually, we are in agreement so what are you disagreeing with? Cleita Jul 2013 #119

I couldn't agree more. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #120

We've done it because we use the Monroe Doctrine to justify it. Cleita Jul 2013 #121

I agree, we are being colonized by our "own" corporations truebluegreen Jul 2013 #122

Again they took the teeth out of the unions with Taft/Hartley. Cleita Jul 2013 #131

+1 Kurovski Jul 2013 #116

I don't see where it is proven that Ambassador Eacho said Snowden was on board flamingdem Jul 2013 #11

please refrain from posting false information reorg Jul 2013 #101

"The ministry confirmed on request by APA that Eacho had called, but that no pressure had been appl flamingdem Jul 2013 #102

the ministry confirmed the call reorg Jul 2013 #104

If such an order exists, Snowden is finished. It will be easy to capture him in Venezuela. stevenleser Jul 2013 #12

Yes he is. I doubt there is any way they thought Snowden was on the plane flamingdem Jul 2013 #15

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unwarranted nasty comment nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #22

Is that all you're going to say to everyone who you disagree with? Pab Sungenis Jul 2013 #129

Of course its easier to attack me than address the obvious flaw in logic I pointed out. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #23

A dead Snowden would further complicate the situation for the U.S. zeeland Jul 2013 #31

Are you saying that the US will invade a sovereign nation to get someone who has been sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #35

If the person cited in the OP is correct, there are a myriad of things that could be done. stevenleser Jul 2013 #41

Are you aware of how notorious OUR gangs are? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #50

None of that is relevant. I'm responding to the OP's citation. The person quoted said in fact that stevenleser Jul 2013 #86

Thanks for articulating this. You write like a reporter flamingdem Jul 2013 #97

We know that the US has tried to pressure other nations not to grant him asylum. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #105

you don't seem to get the point of the person cited in the OP reorg Jul 2013 #106

You just issued two contradictory and mutually exclusive statements. stevenleser Jul 2013 #109

Your contention is plain reorg Jul 2013 #111

No, I didn't. I gave several possible scenarios. You have tunnel vision for the murder/killing. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #112

Your "possible" scenarios were all about contract killings reorg Jul 2013 #113

No, they were not. I talked about kidnapping as well. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #115

how does that make you feel? SwampG8r Jul 2013 #56

have we found our DU therapist in you? flamingdem Jul 2013 #65

no therapist i SwampG8r Jul 2013 #72

I think it would be horrible if he was killed, or abducted, the USA was not trying flamingdem Jul 2013 #75

yes crazy SwampG8r Jul 2013 #79

It's okay with me if he gets asylum flamingdem Jul 2013 #81

well there is this SwampG8r Jul 2013 #82

He supposedly released info about US spying in Brazil today flamingdem Jul 2013 #83

i understand where you are coming from SwampG8r Jul 2013 #103

Marxist Libertarianism! Finally, a political philosophy for the most deeply confused! struggle4progress Jul 2013 #16

It's a bit challenging to pull off but apparently it can be done! flamingdem Jul 2013 #24

So have you gotten your check whistler162 Jul 2013 #25

Inane comment that doesn't add to the conversation flamingdem Jul 2013 #29

now i am going to congratulate you SwampG8r Jul 2013 #59

why thank you very much flamingdem Jul 2013 #60

we weigh in on different sides here a lot SwampG8r Jul 2013 #64

I feel bad that still one is leaving! flamingdem Jul 2013 #68

i dont have context for this SwampG8r Jul 2013 #77

Here's the link about a longtime DUer leaving DU due to nasty unwarranted comments flamingdem Jul 2013 #85

well that was a mess SwampG8r Jul 2013 #110

sorry it took so long SwampG8r Jul 2013 #132

Snowden is a distraction from the main issue. avebury Jul 2013 #30

The jury is still out about whether/if the USA had a role flamingdem Jul 2013 #33

You have a point regarding waiting for more information on who was behind sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #40

Was there cooperation? It looks like miscommunication flamingdem Jul 2013 #43

Too many countries all having a problem with the Presidential plane of Evo Morales. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #61

If you want to believe misinformation be my guest nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #87

Our state dept says they were in touch during the incident but denied Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #94

Logic dictates they didn't or wouldn't have risked having to walk that back flamingdem Jul 2013 #96

Logic for me dictates Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #98

I see the compelling timing, but it could have been due to the US trying to get out ahead of flamingdem Jul 2013 #100

^^This^^. ^^This^^. Thank you n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #58

k&r idwiyo Jul 2013 #34

K&R Thanks, Catherina! Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #47

the Argentino is right mitchtv Jul 2013 #69

There is no proof of what the Argentine says other than "Die Presse" flamingdem Jul 2013 #84

Very big, unfortunate and unnecessary mistakes. Catherina Jul 2013 #88

Catherina do you really believe the Ambassador Eacho story from Die Presse? flamingdem Jul 2013 #91

Plus one. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #127

K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #73

Thank you Catherina for all the work you are doing Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #99

I've been pointing this one out for days, but alas no one seemed to davidpdx Jul 2013 #107

Wherever and However Octafish Jul 2013 #108

Looked around the internetS for info. on "Die Presse" which should discredit Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #117

I still don't get it. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #124

He's a debauched lecher who led a young girl astray to pole-dancing? Catherina Jul 2013 #126