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bemildred

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64. I don't think we have really sorted that question out yet. Perhaps it is time?

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:50 AM

Jul 2013

However, data is very much property when it is software, and you can pay beaucoup bucks for data as data too, if it is the right data. But the question's been left quite conveniently murky overall.

So we HAVE decided that question, that at least sometimes data is property. Of course we could reverse that and decide that all data is free and not property. That is the old-school hacker position. I think that is excessive too. But it is clear that at least some data is property, so property law applies. And, as with most things, judgement is required, you have to argue it out, maybe even ask a jury to decide. At present we use copyright law as a patch.

We need much better Congresses , the best not the worst. The current Congress could not think it's way out of a paper bag, to mix metaphors, let alone find a workable answer to such an ambiguous question as when is data property and when is it free?

Nice exchange of views, I have to go now, thanks.

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Blowback from the White House's Vindictive War on Whistleblowers [View all] 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 OP

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sad but true summary,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #10

...BUT he was "historic". bvar22 Jul 2013 #11

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Maybe. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #90

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Do you honestly think truebluegreen Jul 2013 #117

Be honest? Wow, what a concept. /sarcasm Amonester Jul 2013 #100

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+ + + Articulate and true. byeya Jul 2013 #12

Rec n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #21

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Both of which place corporations far ahead of voters, and neither of which Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #38

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Just keep telling yourself that. That way, someone will believe it. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #44

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Cognitive dissonance much? RC Jul 2013 #81

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You do seem to know about that. RC Jul 2013 #103

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" people who are stuck with the job of governing." ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #108

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Poor things.... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #111

It's not a matter of personal misfortune. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #113

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Your childish snark aside... NCTraveler Jul 2013 #58

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South of my border . . . ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #18

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What lawlessness? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #27

"It is one of the genuine marks of servitude to have the law either concealed or precarious." bemildred Jul 2013 #29

Of course. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #31

Such accusations are very popular among our ruling elites, are they not? bemildred Jul 2013 #32

I would have no idea what is popular amongst our ruling elites, not being one. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #34

People should only be watched when there is judicially certified probable cause, case by case. bemildred Jul 2013 #37

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The Constitution does not need to know about data mining. bemildred Jul 2013 #49

This would be a lot simpler if data belonged to the consumer. But it does not. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #55

I don't think we have really sorted that question out yet. Perhaps it is time? bemildred Jul 2013 #64

cheers nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #33

+1 nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #35

baaaaaahhhhhhhh frylock Jul 2013 #76

Happened with the Wilson administration as well - TBF Jul 2013 #89

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K&R ReRe Jul 2013 #13

+100 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #15

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Yes I agree. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #43

K&R G_j Jul 2013 #19

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Of all sad words of tongue or pen ... ananda Jul 2013 #22

K&R. nt DLevine Jul 2013 #24

More details are found here: "Shamai Leibowitz, a moral giant" AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #25

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My Question... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #39

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K & R AzDar Jul 2013 #86

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