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13. Military courts-martial and civilian prosecutions are totally different animals

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:45 AM

Jul 2013

I don't see how Manning fits into the picture at all. He was inside the military, and the entire prosecution and trial procedure are inside the military, where the rules are very, very different.

I'm not even convinced that there is a good parallel between Ellsberg and Snowden. What Ellsberg "took" and gave to the press was largely historical in nature: a very large but single report the government had compiled on the war from its beginnings, which shed light on what previous administrations had done. It contained many documents, to be sure, but it was very different in nature from exposing the innards of ongoing intelligence programs.

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Josh Marshall: Kinda Curious What That Means (Ellsberg's claim) [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

Kick for ProSense Jul 2013 #1

is Josh aware what they did to Bradley Manning? Enrique Jul 2013 #2

Manning didn't whistleblow, he document dumped. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #3

you misunderstood my post n/t Enrique Jul 2013 #4

And Jose Padilla? Yipes, has Josh Marshall fallen HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #8

Jose Padilla is a whitleblower? ProSense Jul 2013 #15

Jose Padilla is an American citizen who was tortured while HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #16

Jose Padilla has absolutely nothing to do with a discussion about whistleblowers. Nothing! n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #22

The point of this subthread is that AMERICAN CITIZENS are/have been TORTURED in US CUSTODY. yodermon Jul 2013 #57

Padilla has everything to do with what American citizens who are fugitives from justice might HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #61

Bush sanctioning torture and Jose Padilla have absolutely nothing to do with whistleblowers. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #63

unfortunately the current pres questionseverything Jul 2013 #65

Military courts-martial and civilian prosecutions are totally different animals frazzled Jul 2013 #13

And Ellsberg had proof. Snowden has claims. Big difference. randome Jul 2013 #14

Just because he's Ellsberg does not mean he is right. randome Jul 2013 #5

is this coordinated? Enrique Jul 2013 #7

We held a meeting. randome Jul 2013 #9

I got the blue pieces BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #29

oh yes, just like the treebaggers used to do in 2008... dionysus Jul 2013 #67

Clint Eastwood has always been a Republican and a conservative, ran for office as one years ago. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #28

My 'facts' are always subject to revision. randome Jul 2013 #32

You made a claim about them that was no true. It is that simple. You made it up. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #53

There are several in their group that just make shit up all the time. reusrename Jul 2013 #58

Right. I was wrong. But most people assumed they were something other than Conservative/Libertarian. randome Jul 2013 #66

times have in fact, changed. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #6

Our former VP openly brags of having committed torture and HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #11

Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #18

not so much arely staircase Jul 2013 #27

Josh Marshall is being deliberately obtuse. Broward Jul 2013 #10

glad you straightened him out bigtree Jul 2013 #36

Glad you straightened me out Broward Jul 2013 #48

t'was my pleasure bigtree Jul 2013 #49

Josh is pretending to be stupid. reusrename Jul 2013 #60

mebbe bigtree Jul 2013 #62

Josh Marsall is smart.. you're pretending otherwise. Cha Jul 2013 #69

Are you pretending to be stupid? reusrename Jul 2013 #70

what? Thomas Drake wasn't persecuted? He would beg to differ cali Jul 2013 #12

Silliness ProSense Jul 2013 #21

"routine law enforcement is not persecution." hootinholler Jul 2013 #42

And it was the current Administration that dropped charges to a misdemeanor. randome Jul 2013 #23

And how many of them were out on bail awaiting trial? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #17

Snowden has proven himself a flight risk arely staircase Jul 2013 #38

And Manning and the rest? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #46

Manning is being tried under a different system so I don't know what the standards for bail are. arely staircase Jul 2013 #47

Josh must hope to get invited to Meet the Press Octafish Jul 2013 #19

what? bigtree Jul 2013 #35

Daniel Ellsberg very clearly explains what he means by it in his own essay, enough Jul 2013 #20

It was pre-FISA! treestar Jul 2013 #24

Oh, yeah. That. randome Jul 2013 #25

Good point, and ProSense Jul 2013 #26

Ah so you do thnk he is a whistleblower entitled to whistleblower protections? dkf Jul 2013 #30

The ProSense Jul 2013 #31

No, but he and his supporters think he is a whistleblower treestar Jul 2013 #59

glad Marshall fleshed this out bigtree Jul 2013 #33

We hadn't yet developed the tendency to throw people into the hole so as to keep them incommunicado Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #34

Here's ProSense Jul 2013 #37

Mr. Kim didn't embarass the same people that Mr. Snowden did, nor did Mr. Kim threaten their power. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #39

Are you talking about Snowden releasing U.S. state secrets to other countries? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #40

As Mr. Kim did? nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #41

What? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #43

Is this what you mean? kentuck Jul 2013 #44

Yes, ProSense Jul 2013 #45

Two Words: AMERICA TORTURES Th1onein Jul 2013 #50

That's a change? ProSense Jul 2013 #51

And you speak under what authority as to that which is in the hearts of others? 'I know you want' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #52

Your comment makes no sense. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #56

It's a matter of debate Astrad Jul 2013 #54

I suppose ProSense Jul 2013 #55

Maybe Ellsburg knows his own case better than this author does. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #64

Thank goodness for Josh Marshall.. I was thinking Cha Jul 2013 #68

Lawrence O'Donnell talked about this Ellsberg piece on his show tonight. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #71

Snowden claims are suspect. ProSense Jul 2013 #72