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struggle4progress

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76. That's Bolivia's interpretation of events
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jul 2013

It's not entirely clear to me what happened. The Spanish Foreign Minister and the Bolivian Minister of Defense both say that Spanish airspace was not denied. It's clear Morales believed France, Italy, Portugal, and Spain closed airspace due to suspicions Snowden was on-board; and he was on the phone with over Bolivian officials before the plane landed. So it's credible that somebody had complained to Spain before the plane was on the ground, which could explain why the Spanish ambassador hightailed it to the airport at the end of the day: he may merely have hoped to chat with Morales to smooth matters. According to the Bolivian Minister of Defense, the ambassador never mentioned Snowden and actually said something like he was tired and wondered if Morales would give him a cup of coffee on the plane, which Morales understood as a Spanish accusation that Morales was a liar and that Snowden was onboard.

... "Spain doesn't have to ask pardon in anyway because its airspace was never closed," said Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo ...
Spain says no reason to apologise to Bolivia in Snowden saga
MADRID, July 5 | Fri Jul 5, 2013 3:18am EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/05/spain-bolivia-idUSE8N0CD01620130705

... Many hours before takeoff <from Moscow> the Government of Portugal notified the flight crew we could not land in Lisbon due to technical problems. So Spanish government authorization was obtained to stop in the Canary Islands ... At that time our use of airspace was not restricted. What we could not do was land ... The pilot himself had apparently heard a rumor that Mr Snowden was on-board ... We requested the emergency landing <in Vienna> as a precaution against a possible lack of fuel ... The President meanwhile telephoned the vice president and the chancellor to inform them what was happening ... They asked for our passports; we had no problem displaying them; ... they reviewed them quickly and returned ... After landing, the crew received notification of Portugal and Italy that they had canceled the overflight and landing permits in their territories ... The ambassador did not specifically mention Snowden. Our president said "Look, sir, we are not carrying anybody, not even Mr. Snowden". That unnerved the Spanish diplomat ... His response was confused ... The ambassador returned at 9:30 <AM>; President Morales told him it was all sorted out and thanked him ...
Rubén Saavedra Soto: “Nadie requisó el avión FAB 001”
El ministro de Defensa relata lo ocurrido en la nave presidencial cuando le bloquearon el vuelo en cuatro países de Europa. Cuenta los detalles de esos momentos tensos en Viena.
http://www.eldeber.com.bo/ruben-saavedra-soto-nadie-requiso-el-avion-fab-001/130706215201

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MY $10 says coffee-boy is a CIA plant. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #1
Spain's old Prime Minister Aznar cyclezealot Jul 2013 #22
And to think the character-assassinating Koch-bots on DU still claim it was a "fuel gauge problem." backscatter712 Jul 2013 #2
Their blatant disregard of reality is rather shocking. dawg Jul 2013 #4
It was! magellan Jul 2013 #5
... ¿Cómo solicitaron permiso para aterrizar en Viena? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #40
They requested an emergency landing as a precaution JAbuchan08 Jul 2013 #65
fascinating post, presented beautifully. Thanks, Catherina cali Jul 2013 #3
Definitely don't come running to my door with coffee please Catherina Jul 2013 #10
K&R and thanks again for your hard work, Catherina! n/t magellan Jul 2013 #6
+ + byeya Jul 2013 #8
Thank you to you and everyone who recommends and even just reads these threads Catherina Jul 2013 #9
I really appreciate all the hard work you have put in on this topic.! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #53
You surely didn't just compare the fact that you enjoy spending your time Tanuki Jul 2013 #61
+1000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #72
Excellent post. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #7
What "rights" does anyone have in a foreign country? treestar Jul 2013 #11
^ ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #12
nonresponsive treestar Jul 2013 #38
Your answer was kind of creepy. Just saying. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #54
The ignorance is absolutely staggering. reusrename Jul 2013 #77
inalienable human rights eShirl Jul 2013 #13
Authoritarians don't think so. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #20
Puritopians usually fail to see the practical side of it treestar Jul 2013 #41
I'm so glad you did not say "unalienable" as most people do, thanks. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #27
So which of Evo's were violated here? treestar Jul 2013 #36
Can you back that up? nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #55
If you weren't deliberately obtuse, HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #57
Practiced in the art of deception? pocoloco Jul 2013 #68
Is that a facetious question? JEB Jul 2013 #14
Here...educate yourself: SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #25
Well, I don't agree with people having more rights than others itsrobert Jul 2013 #32
Dupe SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #34
Yeah, well, in a perfect world... blah blah blah. So, no problem with the... SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #35
So how was this violated in regards to Evo's flight? treestar Jul 2013 #39
So if President Obama is tossed in a dungeon during his next foreign visit, MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #44
If it were Bush or Cheney, I'd say fine. But there are warrants out there Cleita Jul 2013 #46
Suppose that Obama visits Brazil MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #48
No it's not, because Brazil would be in violation of international protocols of diplomatic Cleita Jul 2013 #49
I agree with you. But Treestar, above, MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #50
Facts are facts, I'm afraid. I stand by mine. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #52
Indio tells Conquistador to go Fuck Himself. formercia Jul 2013 #15
Good one! Cleita Jul 2013 #47
Great job. busterbrown Jul 2013 #16
He even looks like the weasel he is zeemike Jul 2013 #17
The Spanish Ambassador to Austria wants to check Morales' plane in AUSTRIA???? SwissTony Jul 2013 #18
Doesn't that just take the cake? n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #60
IOW - Spain took over the contract to hunt for and capture Snowden in Europe? mazzarro Jul 2013 #62
Just a cafecito and a search of a plane by a neocon suffragette Jul 2013 #19
"We need to talk to our friends". pa28 Jul 2013 #21
Catherina, great work! broiles Jul 2013 #23
Thank you for a very informative post. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #24
"You are free to go" HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #31
Yes, Latin America is on the rise. Because many countries there are embracing politics of the left. gtar100 Jul 2013 #26
^THAT^ xtraxritical Jul 2013 #28
^^This!^^ Catherina Jul 2013 #30
Latin America has a fast-growing economy. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #33
Yes, it does. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #51
This. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #37
K&R ReRe Jul 2013 #29
Thanks for the translation....every effort of your to do this is much appreciated! snappyturtle Jul 2013 #42
Update from Vienna airport police temmer Jul 2013 #43
And the hits keep coming... MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #45
K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #56
Thank You For The Translation cantbeserious Jul 2013 #58
Such a neocon worm but then with what is happening in Europe these days, that is the only sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #59
Ya know, my country.... BrainDrain Jul 2013 #63
Just What You Would Expect from Partido Popular School Teacher Jul 2013 #64
You should choose non offensive words Mosaic Jul 2013 #66
I think she was referring to Fernandez - truth2power Jul 2013 #69
Do I have this right? hootinholler Jul 2013 #67
That's Bolivia's interpretation of events struggle4progress Jul 2013 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #70
Thank you for all your hard work, Catherina. It means so much truth2power Jul 2013 #71
K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #73
I appreciate your effort in getting all of this to us (nt) Babel_17 Jul 2013 #74
Killer OP pscot Jul 2013 #75
Haha, I throw knives instead Catherina Jul 2013 #79
Thanx for this wonderful post, Catherina! reusrename Jul 2013 #78
This strikes me as Evo's Rosa Parks moment. Good for him! Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #80
"I could not understand the colonialist mentality" Laughing Mirror Jul 2013 #81
Thank you for posting Catherina.... Pachamama Jul 2013 #82
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