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flamingdem

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23. Please refrain from aggressive posts - we can converse without that - here is info

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 02:13 PM

Jul 2013

In the State Department’s 2006 report detailing why it would continue to list Cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism, it noted that Cuban authorities had given assurances they would no longer accept “new” U.S. fugitives (whether their crimes were considered political or not). Allowing Snowden to transit Cuba would be a break of faith from that assurance given. Allowing a fugitive to transit your territory is tantamount to giving refuge, as the fugitive wouldn’t be able to reach their ultimate destination without the transit stop.

To be clear, though, Cuba’s 2006 agreement is nowhere near binding. The country could surely offer to assist Snowden if it wanted to. The point is that Havana doesn’t seem to want to do this sort of thing anymore.

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Snowden fate in balance as Cuba backs asylum bid [View all] morningfog Jul 2013 OP

I fully expected Cuba to aid Venezuela, Nicaragua. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #1

I agree. Putting the pieces together, Snowden has his way out. morningfog Jul 2013 #2

Aeroflot has 5 non-stop flights weekly. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #3

i really think his only 2 options are a non-american... allin99 Jul 2013 #4

There are several options. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #8

How does he fly commercial to havana under the risk that... allin99 Jul 2013 #21

Thats probably why its taking time to arrange. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #26

you'd have to get... allin99 Jul 2013 #51

If permission is granted through diplomatic channels... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #54

good point. Personally... allin99 Jul 2013 #58

There's talk of forming an activist flytilla Catherina Jul 2013 #60

I don't think that will be much actual help. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #61

Me neither, that's why I said thin Catherina Jul 2013 #62

Yes. $200K or more is my estimate for a private flight. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #64

They all cross US airspace arely staircase Jul 2013 #5

Probably only a little of Florida. No problem. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #6

So they will divert to Miami then arely staircase Jul 2013 #7

Doubtful. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #9

It gives Putin the perfect way to do it without looking like he did it. arely staircase Jul 2013 #11

Oh, bullshit. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #12

like I said he doesn't want to look like he turned Snowden over arely staircase Jul 2013 #13

I don't think Putin cares about his image to the West. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #19

Image, no - hence the refusal (publicly) to hand Snowden over arely staircase Jul 2013 #27

Interesting speculation, one thing is for sure, there's a tangle flamingdem Jul 2013 #55

I'm not understanding what is happening now... Ohio Joe Jul 2013 #10

See this post from last night about Wikileaks pressuring Raul Castro flamingdem Jul 2013 #15

Interesting... Ohio Joe Jul 2013 #20

Because the Moscow to Havana flights probably overfly Estonia and Finland. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #16

Cuba cannot help because they have an agreement with the US from 2006 flamingdem Jul 2013 #14

Bullshit. There is no current extradition treaty with Cuba. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #18

Please refrain from aggressive posts - we can converse without that - here is info flamingdem Jul 2013 #23

Cuba has already said they'd help. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #37

Where did they say they'd help? Did they offer to let them land? flamingdem Jul 2013 #39

Link HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #48

Cuba has dozens of U.S. fugitives. former9thward Jul 2013 #63

See thread about Wikileaks pressuring Raul Castro via social media, they need them to say "si" flamingdem Jul 2013 #17

Castro already said he would aid Venezuela or Nicaragua. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #22

Another aggressive post, with a put down included flamingdem Jul 2013 #25

Since when is posting facts aggressive? Cleita Jul 2013 #31

You are jumping in to help this aggressive person, why? flamingdem Jul 2013 #32

Only you have labeled him as aggressive. I believe it can be regarded as name calling. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #34

You are ganging up and haven't offered any facts nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #36

You haven't either on your assertions. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #46

When facts collide with the "reality-based" community, evidently. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #45

That's very obnoxious, when will you stop acting like a child? flamingdem Jul 2013 #56

Don't eat the brown acid. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #59

how bad do you think they'd treat cuba... allin99 Jul 2013 #24

Well because there are so many right wing Cuban Americans in congress flamingdem Jul 2013 #28

Two hurdles now jumped, getting nations to offer asylum and getting Cuba to allow him to land. Cleita Jul 2013 #29

Did you see something about Cuba allowing them to land? flamingdem Jul 2013 #30

Duh! Cleita Jul 2013 #33

What about the facts you mentioned, where are your facts to back that? flamingdem Jul 2013 #35

It's your sub-thread, you are supposed to come up with the facts if you don't feel that Cleita Jul 2013 #41

It isn't my OP flamingdem Jul 2013 #42

You're right. I corrected the word. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #49

link HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #52

Russia has indicated they would let him leave and travel under a "stateless" status. morningfog Jul 2013 #38

Well I don't see that Castro has offered his airport flamingdem Jul 2013 #40

Right now most of the world is giving the middle finger to Tio Sam. Cleita Jul 2013 #43

Castro offered support to those nations that may grant him asylum. morningfog Jul 2013 #44

Me too. Cleita Jul 2013 #47

Link HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #50

That's my point, there has been no offer of passage nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #53

Then what do you think they mean by "help"? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #57