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63. Bush sanctioning torture and Jose Padilla have absolutely nothing to do with whistleblowers. n/t

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Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:01 PM

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Josh Marshall: Kinda Curious What That Means (Ellsberg's claim) [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

Kick for ProSense Jul 2013 #1

is Josh aware what they did to Bradley Manning? Enrique Jul 2013 #2

Manning didn't whistleblow, he document dumped. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #3

you misunderstood my post n/t Enrique Jul 2013 #4

And Jose Padilla? Yipes, has Josh Marshall fallen HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #8

Jose Padilla is a whitleblower? ProSense Jul 2013 #15

Jose Padilla is an American citizen who was tortured while HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #16

Jose Padilla has absolutely nothing to do with a discussion about whistleblowers. Nothing! n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #22

The point of this subthread is that AMERICAN CITIZENS are/have been TORTURED in US CUSTODY. yodermon Jul 2013 #57

Padilla has everything to do with what American citizens who are fugitives from justice might HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #61

Bush sanctioning torture and Jose Padilla have absolutely nothing to do with whistleblowers. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #63

unfortunately the current pres questionseverything Jul 2013 #65

Military courts-martial and civilian prosecutions are totally different animals frazzled Jul 2013 #13

And Ellsberg had proof. Snowden has claims. Big difference. randome Jul 2013 #14

Just because he's Ellsberg does not mean he is right. randome Jul 2013 #5

is this coordinated? Enrique Jul 2013 #7

We held a meeting. randome Jul 2013 #9

I got the blue pieces BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #29

oh yes, just like the treebaggers used to do in 2008... dionysus Jul 2013 #67

Clint Eastwood has always been a Republican and a conservative, ran for office as one years ago. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #28

My 'facts' are always subject to revision. randome Jul 2013 #32

You made a claim about them that was no true. It is that simple. You made it up. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #53

There are several in their group that just make shit up all the time. reusrename Jul 2013 #58

Right. I was wrong. But most people assumed they were something other than Conservative/Libertarian. randome Jul 2013 #66

times have in fact, changed. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #6

Our former VP openly brags of having committed torture and HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #11

Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #18

not so much arely staircase Jul 2013 #27

Josh Marshall is being deliberately obtuse. Broward Jul 2013 #10

glad you straightened him out bigtree Jul 2013 #36

Glad you straightened me out Broward Jul 2013 #48

t'was my pleasure bigtree Jul 2013 #49

Josh is pretending to be stupid. reusrename Jul 2013 #60

mebbe bigtree Jul 2013 #62

Josh Marsall is smart.. you're pretending otherwise. Cha Jul 2013 #69

Are you pretending to be stupid? reusrename Jul 2013 #70

what? Thomas Drake wasn't persecuted? He would beg to differ cali Jul 2013 #12

Silliness ProSense Jul 2013 #21

"routine law enforcement is not persecution." hootinholler Jul 2013 #42

And it was the current Administration that dropped charges to a misdemeanor. randome Jul 2013 #23

And how many of them were out on bail awaiting trial? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #17

Snowden has proven himself a flight risk arely staircase Jul 2013 #38

And Manning and the rest? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #46

Manning is being tried under a different system so I don't know what the standards for bail are. arely staircase Jul 2013 #47

Josh must hope to get invited to Meet the Press Octafish Jul 2013 #19

what? bigtree Jul 2013 #35

Daniel Ellsberg very clearly explains what he means by it in his own essay, enough Jul 2013 #20

It was pre-FISA! treestar Jul 2013 #24

Oh, yeah. That. randome Jul 2013 #25

Good point, and ProSense Jul 2013 #26

Ah so you do thnk he is a whistleblower entitled to whistleblower protections? dkf Jul 2013 #30

The ProSense Jul 2013 #31

No, but he and his supporters think he is a whistleblower treestar Jul 2013 #59

glad Marshall fleshed this out bigtree Jul 2013 #33

We hadn't yet developed the tendency to throw people into the hole so as to keep them incommunicado Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #34

Here's ProSense Jul 2013 #37

Mr. Kim didn't embarass the same people that Mr. Snowden did, nor did Mr. Kim threaten their power. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #39

Are you talking about Snowden releasing U.S. state secrets to other countries? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #40

As Mr. Kim did? nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #41

What? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #43

Is this what you mean? kentuck Jul 2013 #44

Yes, ProSense Jul 2013 #45

Two Words: AMERICA TORTURES Th1onein Jul 2013 #50

That's a change? ProSense Jul 2013 #51

And you speak under what authority as to that which is in the hearts of others? 'I know you want' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #52

Your comment makes no sense. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #56

It's a matter of debate Astrad Jul 2013 #54

I suppose ProSense Jul 2013 #55

Maybe Ellsburg knows his own case better than this author does. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #64

Thank goodness for Josh Marshall.. I was thinking Cha Jul 2013 #68

Lawrence O'Donnell talked about this Ellsberg piece on his show tonight. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #71

Snowden claims are suspect. ProSense Jul 2013 #72