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frylock

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68. you're fucking kidding, right?

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:20 AM

Jul 2013

who do you think you're fooling, aside from yourself?

France apologizes to Bolivia for blocking president’s plane; Bolivia calls it 'virtual kidnapping'

France has apologized to Bolivia for not allowing President Evo Morales’ private plane to fly over its airspace on July 2.

Suspecting that Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency whistleblower who’s been hiding out in a Moscow airport, was onboard, France, along with Spain and Portugal, blocked Morales’ plane, forcing it to land in Vienna to refuel.

While in Vienna, the plane was searched, revealing that Morales, flying back to Bolivia after attending an energy conference in Russia, wasn’t giving a lift to any fugitives.

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French President Francois Hollande told reporters that permission to fly over was delayed because of “conflicting information” about its passengers, BBC News reported. He claims he granted permission for the plane to fly over France as soon as he knew it was carrying Morales.

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http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/130704/france-apologizes-bolivia-blocking-president-s-plane

France Apologies for Delaying Bolivia Presidential Flight

PARIS--French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius Wednesday evening apologized to Bolivia for closing its airspace to Bolivian President Evo Morales Tuesday evening when many suspected the Bolivian presidential jet might have been carrying National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden.

In an official statement, Mr. Fabius said he gave his Bolivian counterpart David Choquehuanca all the "necessary clarifications," though he didn't elaborate on the reasons why the French authorities denied Mr. Morales's presidential jet the right to cross France.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20130703-708369.html

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Spain says U.S. tipoff led it to query Bolivian flight [View all] morningfog Jul 2013 OP

What are the deniers going to say now? dkf Jul 2013 #1

I guess Spain is in on the conspriacy or staged drama or something. morningfog Jul 2013 #2

nya, nya, I can't hear you! HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #4

Lol. Yes we are all on ignore. dkf Jul 2013 #5

I don't have anyone on ignore, Catherina has me on ignore however nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #12

How can you tell? dkf Jul 2013 #16

She said so in a thread today where she also called me lots of flamingdem Jul 2013 #17

You have disrupted a lot of her threads Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #20

Oh here we have an impartial judge flamingdem Jul 2013 #21

I will be happy to give you the link Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #24

I always thought that was the point of having a comments thread - discussion, by any other leveymg Jul 2013 #82

Discussion is great. Disruption not so much. Life is too short :) Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #85

What's the difference, really? leveymg Jul 2013 #89

It used to be called thread spamming. reusrename Jul 2013 #103

It also kicks the thread, so how bad can it be? leveymg Jul 2013 #106

They'll just deny from a different angle. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #6

I wish I could track DU's PMs. They'll be here as soon as they have a unified front. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #7

Wish you could monitor stuff, huh? Ironic! CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #58

they're going to hate on Spain n/t Enrique Jul 2013 #14

I am in another thread and the reply is that it is a rumor! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #18

The thread title is patently false. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #69

Yeah, the US ambassador to Spain or some such. Lol. dkf Jul 2013 #72

I posted below SEVERAL articles below & in a separate thread which refute the bullshit OP. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #74

The diners say snooper2 Jul 2013 #88

kick morningfog Jul 2013 #3

I was told the whole thing was a racist libertarian lie made up by racist libertarian Evo Morales kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #8

Or one group is deluded. dkf Jul 2013 #9

One group is full of shit and has been since day one. Nothing has changed, except morningfog Jul 2013 #10

blind partisans are blind bobduca Jul 2013 #28

My theory is that it was a case of a rumor and a confusion over the extradition request flamingdem Jul 2013 #11

We'll get more details when the diplomats answer Bolivia's summons. morningfog Jul 2013 #13

Well you have to prove that fact with a link. That's not what the Spanish guy said flamingdem Jul 2013 #15

He said "among other things." As in, "the US told us Snowden was on board, AMONG OTHER THINGS." morningfog Jul 2013 #19

It's not my denial, it's how any fact finding process should go flamingdem Jul 2013 #22

It most certainly is your denial. morningfog Jul 2013 #23

More like your "blind hope" bobduca Jul 2013 #27

Whatever was said they gave the Bolivians passage, so how bad could it be? flamingdem Jul 2013 #29

They cleared him to pass after denying passage. Both are accurate statements. morningfog Jul 2013 #31

In other words you know nada about what happened flamingdem Jul 2013 #33

People are upset with YOU! reusrename Jul 2013 #104

Brainiac I was right and it was confirmed yesterday flamingdem Jul 2013 #124

What is your malfunction? reusrename Jul 2013 #137

I don't think one article is enough to go on. Why hasn't someone brought up this guys name? flamingdem Jul 2013 #49

you're just bound and determined to go down with the ship frylock Jul 2013 #64

It's almost Aerows Jul 2013 #109

it used to be kinda fun correcting these people, pointing and laughing.. frylock Jul 2013 #119

NO HE DID NOT. Here is the one word he supposedly uttered in a SPANISH newspaper� KittyWampus Jul 2013 #120

Bolivia wants a name too... dkf Jul 2013 #25

You'll deny it no matter how much proof. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #26

I doubt you're even following the proceedings flamingdem Jul 2013 #30

((( Shwooop ))) ...... here ya go ... limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #34

This is ancient history. Die Presse was the only source and if Eacho did that it should be flamingdem Jul 2013 #36

So you already knew the USA told Austria that Snowden was on the plane. awesome! limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #41

Anything that matters should come out in these sessions flamingdem Jul 2013 #42

Seems important that the US ambassador told Austria that Snowden was on the plane. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #45

I'm sure by now you can see there's a lot of confusion flamingdem Jul 2013 #47

I don't see any confusion. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #51

You believe in a narrative. Others agree in another. flamingdem Jul 2013 #53

I read a fact in the news. USA told Austria that Snowden was on the plane. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #54

Truly, I must repeat myself LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #133

Do we actually know that for a fact? Austria had the day before summoned Eacho to demand struggle4progress Jul 2013 #80

Lord have MERCY! Aerows Jul 2013 #110

Well, obviously we know it was a rumor and since it was false, Spain has no sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #46

Guess Bolivia did not scare Spain, Spain still is control their air space and it probably Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #32

It's basically a hissyfit and they'll end up finding a way for everyone flamingdem Jul 2013 #35

Bolivia will have to deal with whatever the country whose airspace is being used, I don't think Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #37

you're fucking kidding, right? frylock Jul 2013 #68

Vienna Convention be damned nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #40

It could be, if AF1 was hauling someone like Snowden around and Snowden had made the statements Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #43

US government planes kidnapped people and took them for torture in other countries muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #95

That was one of Bush's many serious crimes IMO, and sadly most of Europe struggle4progress Jul 2013 #102

You really have no clue what you are talking about nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #113

The Bolivian President's plane Caretha Jul 2013 #115

That is by design nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #130

they're savages and they really need to know their place.. frylock Jul 2013 #71

I know, the imperialism is showing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #114

Bolivia has just received the full backing of most of the OAS member states sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #50

Good for them, they need to stand on their own, I don't care who they trade with but if someone does Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #55

they didn't have a problem with morales using their airspace.. frylock Jul 2013 #73

That would be fine, if you were right. This was against International Immunity sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #94

Do you have the text of the OAS resolution? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #101

There you go, spreading anti american rumors!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #38

What anti American rumors? Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #44

No way! The dozen or so indoctrinated told us it wasn't so in blue link! galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #39

... Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo, insisted today that Spain never closed struggle4progress Jul 2013 #48

This is on the record. They never refused airspace. flamingdem Jul 2013 #52

Las Palmas is in the Canary Islands. It's 1300km beyond Lisbon. I think the Bolivians struggle4progress Jul 2013 #56

Yes, absolutely agree that they tried to bluff their way. They didn't quite believe the Portugese flamingdem Jul 2013 #59

There were multiple strikes in June. I think there was a pilots strike 6 June, struggle4progress Jul 2013 #63

The culture as I know it flamingdem Jul 2013 #66

Not sure, but I don't think they actually had a strike on 2 July: I think they may have had struggle4progress Jul 2013 #67

Portugal is in the clear flamingdem Jul 2013 #76

... So Spanish government authorization was obtained to stop in the Canary Islands ... At that time struggle4progress Jul 2013 #86

This is not my experience Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #131

And they couldn't get there without going through French airspace, which was closed. morningfog Jul 2013 #100

This map sucks LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #134

*bwah!* Hydra Jul 2013 #140

They didn't grant permission until they had a written guarantee from the Bolivian foriegn minister muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #96

... So Spanish government authorization was obtained to stop in the Canary Islands ... At that struggle4progress Jul 2013 #98

The surveillance state applauders JEB Jul 2013 #57

Funny, as of Tuesday, Garcia-Margall is reported as NOT referring to the origin of info. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #60

Oh sure, but other than evidence, confessions, and apologies, you Paulites got *nothing* MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #61

I cannot find the full quote from the press conference. Inter alia is a latin term. "Interarea" KittyWampus Jul 2013 #62

Yes, that was it. In other words there was a bunch o' stuff said and we got cornfused! flamingdem Jul 2013 #65

The thread title is patently false at this point. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #70

Good. Some more info is coming out. flamingdem Jul 2013 #75

Whatever, the OP is a wrong. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #78

Yep. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #83

the call came from inside europe? no shit?! frylock Jul 2013 #77

so you are happy to believe a lie even though I posted several links that prove the OP is bullshit? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #79

yes, please post links proving the US ambassador to austria did not make a request.. frylock Jul 2013 #81

WTF? I am responding to the bullshit OP. Garcia-margallo said alert came inside Europe KittyWampus Jul 2013 #84

is this some kind of jedi mind trick? frylock Jul 2013 #87

Here is your question� which is irrelevant to anything I posted about in this thread KittyWampus Jul 2013 #90

the FUCKING US Ambassador to Austria made the FUCKING call from FUCKING inside FUCKING Europe frylock Jul 2013 #91

Hello? The OP is about Garcia-Margallo's press conference. It purports G-M as saying the alert came KittyWampus Jul 2013 #92

for the record, if the press conference transcript does end up having G-M saying alert came from USA KittyWampus Jul 2013 #93

Is this what you've sunk to? Claming that if an American says something while in Europe muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #97

I am embarrassed for them. More information will come out for them to embarrassingly deny, too. morningfog Jul 2013 #99

I just posted multiple Spanish sources which CONTRADICT THE OP. Can't you read? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #117

Your Spanish source does not contradict the OP muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #122

WRONG. I posted the ACTUAL ONE WORD QUOTE IN SPANISH.And MULTIPLE sources contradicting Reuters KittyWampus Jul 2013 #125

"Inter�rea" is not a Spanish word muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #128

Seriously? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #135

Can you please provide a quote where Garcia-Morallo says that the alert came from the USA KittyWampus Jul 2013 #136

Can you please tell me this is all due to a bad fuel gauge again? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #138

Cirque du Soliel Aerows Jul 2013 #111

they want to parse words and play games with semantics.. frylock Jul 2013 #116

I post multiple sources PROVING the OP is wrong & you keep the circlejerk going. Here's the info one KittyWampus Jul 2013 #121

did a call come through requesting a search of morales' plane for snowden? frylock Jul 2013 #123

hullo? frylock Jul 2013 #139

You didn't even read the MULTIPLE CONTRADICTING STORIES FROM SPANISH NEWS ARTICLES. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #118

The call came from inside Europe. Aerows Jul 2013 #126

the OP is blatantly false� and you nor anyone else in your clique can post any proof KittyWampus Jul 2013 #127

My "clique"? Aerows Jul 2013 #129

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #105

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #107

Oh my! malaise Jul 2013 #108

Oh my, so they admit the undeniable. "Vamos a hablar con nuestro amigos" Catherina Jul 2013 #112

Well if this is true then the president should address this now. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #132

He probably should Hydra Jul 2013 #141