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muriel_volestrangler

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122. Your Spanish source does not contradict the OP

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:45 AM

Jul 2013

It is not a direct quote, unlike Reuters, which quotes him as saying "inter alia". A US source speaking in Europe would still be a US source, 'inside Europe'. You are leaping to accusing Reuters of lying, but you don't have evidence of that.

Anyway, "interárea" is not a standard Spanish word - you won't find it in a standard dictionary (it's jargon). 'Inter' means 'among' or 'between', anyway, not 'inside' (that would be 'intra' - as in the difference between 'internet' and 'intranet'). I do not think a Spanish politician would answer the question with a scientific term meaning "between areas". Saying "inter alia", on the other hand, is much more likely as an answer - meaning that the US told Spain Snowden could be on the flight, and so did another source (British? Who knows). It actually makes sense, whereas 'interárea' does not.

I think your source misheard the answer as 'interárea', and tried to explain it as 'inside Europe' (sources which give a quote all agree he didn't mention the word 'Europe', though some do think it was 'interárea').

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Spain says U.S. tipoff led it to query Bolivian flight [View all] morningfog Jul 2013 OP

What are the deniers going to say now? dkf Jul 2013 #1

I guess Spain is in on the conspriacy or staged drama or something. morningfog Jul 2013 #2

nya, nya, I can't hear you! HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #4

Lol. Yes we are all on ignore. dkf Jul 2013 #5

I don't have anyone on ignore, Catherina has me on ignore however nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #12

How can you tell? dkf Jul 2013 #16

She said so in a thread today where she also called me lots of flamingdem Jul 2013 #17

You have disrupted a lot of her threads Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #20

Oh here we have an impartial judge flamingdem Jul 2013 #21

I will be happy to give you the link Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #24

I always thought that was the point of having a comments thread - discussion, by any other leveymg Jul 2013 #82

Discussion is great. Disruption not so much. Life is too short :) Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #85

What's the difference, really? leveymg Jul 2013 #89

It used to be called thread spamming. reusrename Jul 2013 #103

It also kicks the thread, so how bad can it be? leveymg Jul 2013 #106

They'll just deny from a different angle. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #6

I wish I could track DU's PMs. They'll be here as soon as they have a unified front. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #7

Wish you could monitor stuff, huh? Ironic! CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #58

they're going to hate on Spain n/t Enrique Jul 2013 #14

I am in another thread and the reply is that it is a rumor! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #18

The thread title is patently false. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #69

Yeah, the US ambassador to Spain or some such. Lol. dkf Jul 2013 #72

I posted below SEVERAL articles below & in a separate thread which refute the bullshit OP. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #74

The diners say snooper2 Jul 2013 #88

kick morningfog Jul 2013 #3

I was told the whole thing was a racist libertarian lie made up by racist libertarian Evo Morales kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #8

Or one group is deluded. dkf Jul 2013 #9

One group is full of shit and has been since day one. Nothing has changed, except morningfog Jul 2013 #10

blind partisans are blind bobduca Jul 2013 #28

My theory is that it was a case of a rumor and a confusion over the extradition request flamingdem Jul 2013 #11

We'll get more details when the diplomats answer Bolivia's summons. morningfog Jul 2013 #13

Well you have to prove that fact with a link. That's not what the Spanish guy said flamingdem Jul 2013 #15

He said "among other things." As in, "the US told us Snowden was on board, AMONG OTHER THINGS." morningfog Jul 2013 #19

It's not my denial, it's how any fact finding process should go flamingdem Jul 2013 #22

It most certainly is your denial. morningfog Jul 2013 #23

More like your "blind hope" bobduca Jul 2013 #27

Whatever was said they gave the Bolivians passage, so how bad could it be? flamingdem Jul 2013 #29

They cleared him to pass after denying passage. Both are accurate statements. morningfog Jul 2013 #31

In other words you know nada about what happened flamingdem Jul 2013 #33

People are upset with YOU! reusrename Jul 2013 #104

Brainiac I was right and it was confirmed yesterday flamingdem Jul 2013 #124

What is your malfunction? reusrename Jul 2013 #137

I don't think one article is enough to go on. Why hasn't someone brought up this guys name? flamingdem Jul 2013 #49

you're just bound and determined to go down with the ship frylock Jul 2013 #64

It's almost Aerows Jul 2013 #109

it used to be kinda fun correcting these people, pointing and laughing.. frylock Jul 2013 #119

NO HE DID NOT. Here is the one word he supposedly uttered in a SPANISH newspaper� KittyWampus Jul 2013 #120

Bolivia wants a name too... dkf Jul 2013 #25

You'll deny it no matter how much proof. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #26

I doubt you're even following the proceedings flamingdem Jul 2013 #30

((( Shwooop ))) ...... here ya go ... limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #34

This is ancient history. Die Presse was the only source and if Eacho did that it should be flamingdem Jul 2013 #36

So you already knew the USA told Austria that Snowden was on the plane. awesome! limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #41

Anything that matters should come out in these sessions flamingdem Jul 2013 #42

Seems important that the US ambassador told Austria that Snowden was on the plane. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #45

I'm sure by now you can see there's a lot of confusion flamingdem Jul 2013 #47

I don't see any confusion. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #51

You believe in a narrative. Others agree in another. flamingdem Jul 2013 #53

I read a fact in the news. USA told Austria that Snowden was on the plane. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #54

Truly, I must repeat myself LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #133

Do we actually know that for a fact? Austria had the day before summoned Eacho to demand struggle4progress Jul 2013 #80

Lord have MERCY! Aerows Jul 2013 #110

Well, obviously we know it was a rumor and since it was false, Spain has no sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #46

Guess Bolivia did not scare Spain, Spain still is control their air space and it probably Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #32

It's basically a hissyfit and they'll end up finding a way for everyone flamingdem Jul 2013 #35

Bolivia will have to deal with whatever the country whose airspace is being used, I don't think Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #37

you're fucking kidding, right? frylock Jul 2013 #68

Vienna Convention be damned nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #40

It could be, if AF1 was hauling someone like Snowden around and Snowden had made the statements Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #43

US government planes kidnapped people and took them for torture in other countries muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #95

That was one of Bush's many serious crimes IMO, and sadly most of Europe struggle4progress Jul 2013 #102

You really have no clue what you are talking about nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #113

The Bolivian President's plane Caretha Jul 2013 #115

That is by design nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #130

they're savages and they really need to know their place.. frylock Jul 2013 #71

I know, the imperialism is showing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #114

Bolivia has just received the full backing of most of the OAS member states sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #50

Good for them, they need to stand on their own, I don't care who they trade with but if someone does Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #55

they didn't have a problem with morales using their airspace.. frylock Jul 2013 #73

That would be fine, if you were right. This was against International Immunity sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #94

Do you have the text of the OAS resolution? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #101

There you go, spreading anti american rumors!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #38

What anti American rumors? Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #44

No way! The dozen or so indoctrinated told us it wasn't so in blue link! galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #39

... Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo, insisted today that Spain never closed struggle4progress Jul 2013 #48

This is on the record. They never refused airspace. flamingdem Jul 2013 #52

Las Palmas is in the Canary Islands. It's 1300km beyond Lisbon. I think the Bolivians struggle4progress Jul 2013 #56

Yes, absolutely agree that they tried to bluff their way. They didn't quite believe the Portugese flamingdem Jul 2013 #59

There were multiple strikes in June. I think there was a pilots strike 6 June, struggle4progress Jul 2013 #63

The culture as I know it flamingdem Jul 2013 #66

Not sure, but I don't think they actually had a strike on 2 July: I think they may have had struggle4progress Jul 2013 #67

Portugal is in the clear flamingdem Jul 2013 #76

... So Spanish government authorization was obtained to stop in the Canary Islands ... At that time struggle4progress Jul 2013 #86

This is not my experience Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #131

And they couldn't get there without going through French airspace, which was closed. morningfog Jul 2013 #100

This map sucks LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #134

*bwah!* Hydra Jul 2013 #140

They didn't grant permission until they had a written guarantee from the Bolivian foriegn minister muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #96

... So Spanish government authorization was obtained to stop in the Canary Islands ... At that struggle4progress Jul 2013 #98

The surveillance state applauders JEB Jul 2013 #57

Funny, as of Tuesday, Garcia-Margall is reported as NOT referring to the origin of info. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #60

Oh sure, but other than evidence, confessions, and apologies, you Paulites got *nothing* MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #61

I cannot find the full quote from the press conference. Inter alia is a latin term. "Interarea" KittyWampus Jul 2013 #62

Yes, that was it. In other words there was a bunch o' stuff said and we got cornfused! flamingdem Jul 2013 #65

The thread title is patently false at this point. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #70

Good. Some more info is coming out. flamingdem Jul 2013 #75

Whatever, the OP is a wrong. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #78

Yep. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #83

the call came from inside europe? no shit?! frylock Jul 2013 #77

so you are happy to believe a lie even though I posted several links that prove the OP is bullshit? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #79

yes, please post links proving the US ambassador to austria did not make a request.. frylock Jul 2013 #81

WTF? I am responding to the bullshit OP. Garcia-margallo said alert came inside Europe KittyWampus Jul 2013 #84

is this some kind of jedi mind trick? frylock Jul 2013 #87

Here is your question� which is irrelevant to anything I posted about in this thread KittyWampus Jul 2013 #90

the FUCKING US Ambassador to Austria made the FUCKING call from FUCKING inside FUCKING Europe frylock Jul 2013 #91

Hello? The OP is about Garcia-Margallo's press conference. It purports G-M as saying the alert came KittyWampus Jul 2013 #92

for the record, if the press conference transcript does end up having G-M saying alert came from USA KittyWampus Jul 2013 #93

Is this what you've sunk to? Claming that if an American says something while in Europe muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #97

I am embarrassed for them. More information will come out for them to embarrassingly deny, too. morningfog Jul 2013 #99

I just posted multiple Spanish sources which CONTRADICT THE OP. Can't you read? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #117

Your Spanish source does not contradict the OP muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #122

WRONG. I posted the ACTUAL ONE WORD QUOTE IN SPANISH.And MULTIPLE sources contradicting Reuters KittyWampus Jul 2013 #125

"Inter�rea" is not a Spanish word muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #128

Seriously? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #135

Can you please provide a quote where Garcia-Morallo says that the alert came from the USA KittyWampus Jul 2013 #136

Can you please tell me this is all due to a bad fuel gauge again? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #138

Cirque du Soliel Aerows Jul 2013 #111

they want to parse words and play games with semantics.. frylock Jul 2013 #116

I post multiple sources PROVING the OP is wrong & you keep the circlejerk going. Here's the info one KittyWampus Jul 2013 #121

did a call come through requesting a search of morales' plane for snowden? frylock Jul 2013 #123

hullo? frylock Jul 2013 #139

You didn't even read the MULTIPLE CONTRADICTING STORIES FROM SPANISH NEWS ARTICLES. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #118

The call came from inside Europe. Aerows Jul 2013 #126

the OP is blatantly false� and you nor anyone else in your clique can post any proof KittyWampus Jul 2013 #127

My "clique"? Aerows Jul 2013 #129

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #105

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #107

Oh my! malaise Jul 2013 #108

Oh my, so they admit the undeniable. "Vamos a hablar con nuestro amigos" Catherina Jul 2013 #112

Well if this is true then the president should address this now. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #132

He probably should Hydra Jul 2013 #141