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Lurks Often

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14. Not really

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:05 PM

Jul 2013

Since the state can't prove Zimmerman had the gun out or displayed when he approached Martin, Martin would have no LEGAL right to start a fight, no matter how creepy he felt Zimmerman may have been.

The case is going to come down to who the jury thinks struck the first blow, does the jury believe Zimmerman's injuries were caused by Martin and if yes, do they believe those injuries would cause a reasonable person to be in fear of death or grave bodily harm.

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Zimmerman said the gun was behind his hip. [View all] madaboutharry Jul 2013 OP

Me too. madashelltoo Jul 2013 #1

Access to zimmy's gun would have been blocked by a straddler brush Jul 2013 #27

The PA should make sure this is known uponit7771 Jul 2013 #2

The burden is on the State to be able to prove that Lurks Often Jul 2013 #3

In Zim's re-enactment video, madashelltoo Jul 2013 #6

That is not proof that Zimmerman had the gun out when he approached Martin n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #8

No. But it makes "how he retrieved it" more important. madashelltoo Jul 2013 #11

Not really Lurks Often Jul 2013 #14

It comes down to can they believe the only eye witness who has been proven a liar. uppityperson Jul 2013 #20

You're ignoring the physical evidence Lurks Often Jul 2013 #22

No, I am not. eom uppityperson Jul 2013 #23

+1,000 malaise Jul 2013 #26

Ok now prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury Bonduel Jul 2013 #32

Trayvon is dead RockaFowler Jul 2013 #34

Are you telling me that there is never a case for self defense? Bonduel Jul 2013 #36

Zim would not have needed "self defense" if he just minded his own business. Atman Jul 2013 #38

None of that matters. Bonduel Jul 2013 #39

He had a gun... Atman Jul 2013 #41

You are comparing a rape victim & abused woman to Zimmy? Seriously? uppityperson Jul 2013 #42

It is one more instance of Zimmerman not being truthful yardwork Jul 2013 #13

We both know you came to the assumption quite a while ago. n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #15

Yes I did. Zimmerman's lies were obvious. yardwork Jul 2013 #16

I'd like to know how Zim could even reach the gun which was suppose to be behind his butt. Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #4

Well, they already proved that Trayvon EC Jul 2013 #5

Can you imagine the rush Zimmerman felt madashelltoo Jul 2013 #7

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #9

That makes sense to me. Lugnut Jul 2013 #19

If it was behind his hip then how did he get it if lunatica Jul 2013 #10

..he had it out already...by Z's own account he had it on his back hip too. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #12

By the way, I did this experiment with my son who is 14 years old Bonduel Jul 2013 #35

So if Z had been sitting on TM, TM could've gotten his own gun? uppityperson Jul 2013 #43

Did you insist he scream for his life the whole time libodem Jul 2013 #45

How did Trayvon keep smashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete and still... Spazito Jul 2013 #17

No hair HockeyMom Jul 2013 #28

His nose was wet and bloody as well... Spazito Jul 2013 #29

As you said, HockeyMom Jul 2013 #30

Exactly, there is no physical way Trayvon could have done what Zimmerman contends he did... Spazito Jul 2013 #31

Did Zimmerman say that the two happened at the exact same time? Bonduel Jul 2013 #37

Yes. And Z also said he was getting smothered by another of Trayvon the Octupus's hands uppityperson Jul 2013 #44

Zimmerman seems to be some sort of hero in the gun fancier Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #18

I believed in the Easter Bunny. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #21

Zimmerman also said he had no money for bail. (NT) Heywood J Jul 2013 #24

Here's the part I find strange. Nine Jul 2013 #25

Zimmerman is a pathological liar, a racist and a wanna be cop malaise Jul 2013 #33

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #46

Also believe he had the gun out as he approached. kiranon Jul 2013 #40