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Savannahmann

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49. Churchill and Stalin said something that I think is relevent.

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:48 PM

Jul 2013

Churchill said that it takes two good years of hard training to get an army ready, truly ready, for combat. This was an explanation why the second front in France was an impossibility in 1942. Stalin replied that it took two minutes. Anyone who lived for two minutes in combat, was a veteran, and had learned everything he needed to.

Some of the most effective fighters in the Russian Army were women, who due to circumstances, did not receive much training in how to fight, but they fought, bravely, fanatically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_World_War_II

I could hijack this thread with a dissertation on Soviet Women in world war II. But instead, I'll return to Stalin's point. Those who survived combat for two minutes were veterans, and experienced soldiers. There was no need to train them any more, they had passed the graduate course. While Churchill's point is equally notable. Two years of daily training, hard physical and mental training, will make a combat ready soldier.

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You Gettin' Desperate, Aint'cha, Fella? The Magistrate Jul 2013 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #4

Sounds more like you are Making the smoke. russspeakeasy Jul 2013 #9

Smoke or not, Zimmerman case aside, he's right. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #12

Nah, You Just Tryin' To Smoke It Up Thicker, Fella The Magistrate Jul 2013 #11

That doesn't invalidate his statement on fighting/fighters. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #17

His Comment, Sir, Is An Attempt To Claim Zimmerman Was Helpless The Magistrate Jul 2013 #23

Coincidental to intent, certainly, but -true-. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #26

Not My Bet, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #33

I'd take your bet. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #48

Like shooting an unarmed teenager. LanternWaste Jul 2013 #61

Zim's mistake: Thinking he was able to handle a conflict. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #64

Yeah.. That's not what you said in post 12, though... opiate69 Jul 2013 #73

+1, black kids aren't born welter weight contenders!!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #32

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #67

Did YOU teach your kid to not fight adult strangers who get close enough to grab him? blm Jul 2013 #70

Aren't kids TAUGHT to punch/kick at adult strangers following them close enough to grab them by blm Jul 2013 #2

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #5

If grabbed, or if the adult stranger following them gets CLOSE ENOUGH to grab them? blm Jul 2013 #14

In my dojo, we were taught to identify a threat: Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #20

Did you tell your child to WAIT until after he was grabbed? Or did you tell him to blm Jul 2013 #21

So Zimmerman was naturally thuggish and murderous. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #3

You're very right, at least in theory. (semi-graphic fight video) Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #6

He needed to be knocked out... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #40

Fashion choice aside: The big guy loses in one punch. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #43

Yep, the little guy knew what he was doing... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #51

Speed and knowledge of combat trumps "Big strong guy" any day of the week. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #53

Yeah, but please don't think... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #55

Oh, I agree. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #56

Yeah, I hope so too... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #60

Can you possibly email this post to his defense team? leftstreet Jul 2013 #7

I took Tai Chi for years. It is an actual martial art. But I did it for self cultivation. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #8

I love that story. Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #10

Indeed, Sir: Ain't It A Cool One? The Magistrate Jul 2013 #16

Zimmerman was a bouncer. Just Saying Jul 2013 #13

Well his trainer must suck to the max VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #15

Trainers, as a general rule, train form, -then- function. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #24

three days a week? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #25

Loss of weight leads to loss of coordination. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #29

Oh come on..... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #34

I'm not talking about Zimmerman, at least in content. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #39

Perhaps you should know abit more about what we are discussing before you chime in VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #41

I don't know about Zimmerman. I do know quite a deal about fighting. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #46

The discussion IS about Zimmerman! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #58

Well when the trees stop being wrong, I'll stop barking up them. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #62

the are NOT wrong in this case VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #63

It's pathetic, and it's true. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #65

No one is saying he was ready for actual in the ring professional fighting. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #69

I'd put good money that he couldn't handle that fight. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #71

Sudden weight loss might, but when gradually losing weight your body adjusts. uppityperson Jul 2013 #66

It does, but there's still a transitional period. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #68

I notice you use "suddenly" when I said gradually. Also, since weight is lost across the body and uppityperson Jul 2013 #72

I was using the arm as a hypothetical microcosm, but you should have known that. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #74

You only learned Kata and conditioning for a year? Aerows Jul 2013 #45

Okinawan Goju Ryu. Also, a brief reading error on your part. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #52

What "mental and physical body type" is associated with aggression? Nine Jul 2013 #18

LMAO! Marrah_G Jul 2013 #19

Obviously these classes don't make Zim a street fighting master... Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #22

Never considered him an MMA bad-ass Xyzse Jul 2013 #27

so you've been here since July 7, 2013. was it just to defend Z? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #28

You already know the answer. Just Saying Jul 2013 #31

Aw, but he/she has a lot of fans here on DU creaming their pants over Zimmerman. It's sick! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #38

Yup... MIRT should probably have a gander at this one... opiate69 Jul 2013 #44

But, training makes the difference. Jim__ Jul 2013 #30

Training without experience is a detriment. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #35

Training without sparring is bad training if you're training to fight. Jim__ Jul 2013 #50

I'd agree. A trained, conditioned, knowledgeable fighter will drop a street fighter. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #54

What people don't realize is that a person who is properly avebury Jul 2013 #36

Fight training is better actually NoOneMan Jul 2013 #37

This is really really poor logic, Trayvon sent 100s of text messages to a girl he wasn't dating.. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #42

Mansplaining. nt Lex Jul 2013 #47

Churchill and Stalin said something that I think is relevent. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #49

Best watch out with talk like that. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #57

saying that Zimmerman has received a few paychecks in his short, miserable, little life is like sayi LanternWaste Jul 2013 #59