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Wash. state Desk Jet

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66. Than you might agree that Zimmerman is more of a predator

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:56 PM

Jul 2013

which further indicates he is more than likely a pathological lier. And I think the lead investigator who became a beat cop after the ordeal pretty much came to the same conclusion although he said he believed Zimmerman's story .

Because he didn't have reason not to in the form of legal grounds.
So, predators are illusive.

Narcissistic sociopaths can be illusive as all hell.
His trainer basically said Zimmerman is a nice guy but he is also a hopeless case in so far as getting into some kind of shape.

The gym thing as you know was all about the agile thing having to do with qualification testing for acceptance to the academe.
Zimmerman's poor performance at the gym is a direct reflection toward his psych. issues.

The nice guy you know,they rarely see the other guy-Jeckel- Hyde.
The victims see the reverse-
Predators hide it well from all others.
Screen shielder's.

Illusive they are.

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL - AFTERNOON, Day 12, Wednesday, July 10, 2013 [View all] premium Jul 2013 OP

Kicking this. nt. premium Jul 2013 #1

thx...so we don't have to keep using the morning thread uponit7771 Jul 2013 #2

After the defense rests, the State has the right to put forth a rebuttal case so... Spazito Jul 2013 #3

The rebuttal case is HOPEFULLY where they saved the best for last. They've already hinted on the... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #4

I hope John Guy does the rebuttal and closing, premium Jul 2013 #6

John Guy is great, however if you look at the Defense avebury Jul 2013 #8

+1, the police drug tested the dead guy!!! WTF is that!? They couldn't show more bias if someone pay uponit7771 Jul 2013 #9

I wonder if Zimmerman refused to go to the ER is that he avebury Jul 2013 #11

This is another good question, I wish the PA coudl bring it up. Also, I don't think the THC evdience uponit7771 Jul 2013 #12

Also, going to the ER might have backfired on Zimmerman's avebury Jul 2013 #14

it would go to bolster the defense Kali Jul 2013 #130

Any blood drawn would have required proper chain of custody and handling magical thyme Jul 2013 #47

I don't see Zimmerman to be very bright avebury Jul 2013 #48

good point. I still suspect, tho, it was more about keeping the true extent of his injuries magical thyme Jul 2013 #52

Very true, premium Jul 2013 #53

The police didn't drug test Trayvon, premium Jul 2013 #13

That's because the police took Z's word for it off the bat instead of questioing ANYTHING they uponit7771 Jul 2013 #15

Yep, that's pretty much what happened, premium Jul 2013 #16

THEN Serino comes to the stand and basically testifies for the defense...given that they are doing uponit7771 Jul 2013 #37

Serino is now a beat cop, a "lateral move" according to him... Spazito Jul 2013 #42

they seem to have really good team work compared to the defense Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #41

I am pretty sure they will put on a rebuttal case based on the testimony of the defense witnesses... Spazito Jul 2013 #7

that's a good point uponit7771 Jul 2013 #10

Do you have any idea when the prosecutors rebuttal is scheduled ? lumpy Jul 2013 #115

Doh!!!! premium Jul 2013 #5

Thanks. The way people have been responding on this forum I wasn't sure if a rebuttal was lumpy Jul 2013 #65

You're welcome! I, too, am hopeful and expecting a solid rebuttal from the State ... Spazito Jul 2013 #74

Muddy/fog = reasonable doubt customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #179

Whoa, Zimmerman isn't in concert with his attornies re testifying... Spazito Jul 2013 #17

And Knock Knock just never seems to learn. nt avebury Jul 2013 #18

Objecting to the judge?? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #20

Yep, it is but it is up to the Judge whether they wish to raise contempt... Spazito Jul 2013 #24

At some point it would become so pokerfan Jul 2013 #46

The defense has given notice they have two more witnesses, very short testimony... Spazito Jul 2013 #51

I agree pokerfan Jul 2013 #86

His legal counsel definitely doesn't want him to testify but the decision is solely Zimmerman's... Spazito Jul 2013 #91

West wants more time to beat Zimmerman into avebury Jul 2013 #21

That's his job naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #50

The judge would never allow him to withdraw. JimDandy Jul 2013 #62

He just trying to do what's best for his client, premium Jul 2013 #58

In addition naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #67

It now sounds like he won't take that stand, premium Jul 2013 #72

Just to be clear, I believe they stated they had two brief witnesses prior to the Judge asking... Spazito Jul 2013 #76

I was going by your earlier post, so I may have been wrong. nt. premium Jul 2013 #78

another livestream link: Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #19

You're welcome, premium Jul 2013 #22

Has the foam dummy been excused? pintobean Jul 2013 #23

LOL! nt avebury Jul 2013 #25

That poor dummy, premium Jul 2013 #27

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #28

Do they clean that thing between uses? Just Saying Jul 2013 #77

my freaking sister called during that and I missed it all! Kali Jul 2013 #134

go to this link Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #178

Every dummy needs some dummy sometimes. n/t customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #180

Dissention in the ranks of the Defense Team? avebury Jul 2013 #26

I love the fly on the wall tweets. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #29

O'Mara looks like a pretty good damn attorney. I'm not surprised chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #31

Should O'Mara win his complete acquittal customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #181

I would have thought Z and his team would have decided if he should testify, no? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #30

they may have decided it Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #33

haha good call! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #87

Let's all make an effort to keep it noncontentious Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #32

I agree 100%. premium Jul 2013 #34

YES!! Zimmerman had OTHER options!! He could've stayed his ass in his vehicle!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #35

+1000. premium Jul 2013 #39

Yeap, not only the dispatcher by the NWP training said wait for the cops...and GZ saying he wouldn't uponit7771 Jul 2013 #43

Than you might agree that Zimmerman is more of a predator Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #66

And Trayvon could've called 911 instead of a friend! lbrtbell Jul 2013 #92

While he was running for Zimmerman?! It's obvious he thought he lost him, Zimmerman knew.. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #97

stop blaming the victim!!! noiretextatique Jul 2013 #106

a black teen call the cops? Kali Jul 2013 #136

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #162

West now the point guard? avebury Jul 2013 #36

Re-Cross: Mr. Root, would events have gone avebury Jul 2013 #38

...I think Costner is setting this up, would go towards man slaughter cause Z didn't pay attention uponit7771 Jul 2013 #40

Mr. Root - Could a hit to the nose be a result of avebury Jul 2013 #44

Time for an update on the jury. avebury Jul 2013 #45

I'm sure the jury has had enough of this "expert." Jim__ Jul 2013 #49

WHY is he back again? Given this morning's performance you'd think... dorkzilla Jul 2013 #54

GZ certainly had a "warrior mindset" when he attacked that police officer NatBurner Jul 2013 #55

Bloom on MSNBC just wondered when Root said Zimmerman is not the kind chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #56

Hopefully uponit7771 Jul 2013 #61

He doesn't have a criminal record. Vattel Jul 2013 #70

Missed it, who is on the witness stand now? tia uponit7771 Jul 2013 #57

Zimmerman's former neighbor. Jim__ Jul 2013 #59

thx uponit7771 Jul 2013 #68

What is the purpose of this witness? madaboutharry Jul 2013 #60

Lisa Bloom former Court TV reporter and attorney just made a great point senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #63

I hope so. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #69

I hope that the prosecution walks through that door. yardwork Jul 2013 #73

Doubtful. The prosecution could have objected, JimDandy Jul 2013 #95

The judge denied it? senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #157

"Yes or No" polly7 Jul 2013 #64

Hopefully that convinces the jury to disregard this guy's testimony. Jim__ Jul 2013 #71

That's what I was thinking. polly7 Jul 2013 #75

Papa Zimmerman's gonna testify!!! senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #79

Z's father? no audio for me....tia uponit7771 Jul 2013 #80

Yes, he's on the stand now. senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #81

Yes, premium Jul 2013 #83

and then... dumdum dum dum DUMMMM.. will he? or won't he? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #90

Whoa, anyone notice the trace THC issue has not come up and this is supposedly... Spazito Jul 2013 #82

Wouldn't that help the prosecution then if they could bring up Z's prescription drug use? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #89

Well, seeing as the defence chose not to raise the issue they fought so hard to have admitted... Spazito Jul 2013 #94

so they both decided to just not bring that info up? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #96

The defense opened the door, the State didn't... Spazito Jul 2013 #101

Didn't the jury already hear about the THC in TM's system? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #110

No, the defense realized it was a big OOPS to try and get it into testimony... Spazito Jul 2013 #145

But I heard him say it Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #147

I am not sure, I thought they were present when the ME mentioned the trace THC but other posts... Spazito Jul 2013 #148

I thought so too. It was during his regular testimony and I was surprised that Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #173

I was surprised at no objection as well, that's why I am not sure the jury was present... Spazito Jul 2013 #174

Go for it, Georgie! Please! Jim__ Jul 2013 #84

I am betting he won't but I am so hoping I am wrong and he... Spazito Jul 2013 #88

I'm on the edge of my chair Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #93

Me too! Spazito Jul 2013 #98

lol now I want a beer. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #99

I will join you in the toast! Spazito Jul 2013 #102

hear, hear! To Truth and Justice Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #109

The dignity and grace she has exhibited throughout has been... Spazito Jul 2013 #113

I can't imagine how hard it would be to... Bay Boy Jul 2013 #176

I can't imagine either yet both did so showing incredible strength... Spazito Jul 2013 #177

Lisa Bloom just said that open court is ended for today, and the judge wants a decision about Z's senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #85

so Z wont testify. Wonder how this will look after the trial is over. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #100

Refresh my memory. Who is Pollock? nt avebury Jul 2013 #103

Gym owner madaboutharry Jul 2013 #104

Impeachment of this witness on the horizon it seems... Spazito Jul 2013 #107

I don't recall his testimony, or why he would be impeached? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #111

Impeachment is not proper in rebuttal, so the scope is an issue. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #112

I see.. but what was his original testimony about? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #117

Formal impeachment isn't allowed but actual impeachment-discrediting the testimony is... Spazito Jul 2013 #127

He testified that Zimmerman, even though he was taking MMA classes three times a... Spazito Jul 2013 #121

but he said "absolutely not" Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #163

Yes but the Judge sustained the defense's objection to that line of questioning... Spazito Jul 2013 #167

aha.. I had to leave off watching just at the point of his objection. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #168

Well, it IS the defendent's right to choose not to testify and the jury is given... Spazito Jul 2013 #169

this guy? from the gym? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #108

Adam Pollock riverwalker Jul 2013 #175

I just want to add my thanks to both you and GSC for starting these threads... Spazito Jul 2013 #105

I second that. Thank you. n/t TDale313 Jul 2013 #118

The PA is on to something. avebury Jul 2013 #114

But can he get it in? Jim__ Jul 2013 #116

How the guy on the one hand talk about what a disaster avebury Jul 2013 #123

Oh jeez. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #120

ANd remember, he had to be in court the day after his avebury Jul 2013 #129

What's happening now?? Cross exam?? Ninga Jul 2013 #122

The jury is being excused for now. nt avebury Jul 2013 #124

Proffer? he is testifying out of jury's presence - after a 15 min break. Jim__ Jul 2013 #125

They're not offering "Zimmerman classes" Azathoth Jul 2013 #126

It is absurd given he, in essence, testified to how crappy his training was... Spazito Jul 2013 #131

Screen shot of the gym's Zim page pintobean Jul 2013 #119

The gym isn't marketing with that page - lynne Jul 2013 #128

That's the way I see it, too. pintobean Jul 2013 #133

It says nothing about limiting enquiries to the media and, if you will note, there is a * Spazito Jul 2013 #135

No, it doesn't say "media only" - lynne Jul 2013 #138

Not a stretch at all, imo Spazito Jul 2013 #140

He should have titled the page "Press" madaboutharry Jul 2013 #137

I agree it was poorly done - lynne Jul 2013 #139

Why did they go into recess again so soon after the avebury Jul 2013 #132

What do Phil Spector, Drew Peterson, and George Zimmerman have in common? Nevernose Jul 2013 #141

Another day listening to how violent Zippo seems/wants to be -- fight training and a gun toter. Hoyt Jul 2013 #142

PA is going after Zimmerman's prior bad acts avebury Jul 2013 #143

Yes and no Nevernose Jul 2013 #144

I have to say I hope the Judge doesn't allow this as I think it would open the door to... Spazito Jul 2013 #146

Trayvon smoking pot has nothing to do with what happened that night Beaverhausen Jul 2013 #150

It is the issue of 'prior bad acts', if that door is opened by one side... Spazito Jul 2013 #154

It's rebuttal, not prior bad acts Nevernose Jul 2013 #152

It is testimony as to 'prior bad acts' ie assault of a undercover officer 8 years previously... Spazito Jul 2013 #158

Wow! Several Defense witnesses have been avebury Jul 2013 #149

Judge Nelson was very annoyed last night about madaboutharry Jul 2013 #153

The number of alleged violations appear to be growing. avebury Jul 2013 #155

Even Zimmerman's FRIENDS suck. Nevernose Jul 2013 #156

Add to that Zimmerman's lawyers as they were present when Goode violated... Spazito Jul 2013 #159

If jury instructions are tonight is the prosecution not doing a rebuttal? chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #151

It sure seems like it at this point... Spazito Jul 2013 #171

Wouldn't it be the responsibilty of the attorneys avebury Jul 2013 #160

The Judge has complete discretion in this regard... Spazito Jul 2013 #161

maybe once the trial is concluded? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #165

It didn't sound like it to me from her rulings... Spazito Jul 2013 #166

So as a result, she made a mouse of a molehill avebury Jul 2013 #170

Yes, I admit I am disappointed by her lack of action on this... Spazito Jul 2013 #172

The Judge stated the jury will not be in attendence until 1:00 pm when the closing... Spazito Jul 2013 #164