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151. If jury instructions are tonight is the prosecution not doing a rebuttal?

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL - AFTERNOON, Day 12, Wednesday, July 10, 2013 [View all] premium Jul 2013 OP

Kicking this. nt. premium Jul 2013 #1

thx...so we don't have to keep using the morning thread uponit7771 Jul 2013 #2

After the defense rests, the State has the right to put forth a rebuttal case so... Spazito Jul 2013 #3

The rebuttal case is HOPEFULLY where they saved the best for last. They've already hinted on the... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #4

I hope John Guy does the rebuttal and closing, premium Jul 2013 #6

John Guy is great, however if you look at the Defense avebury Jul 2013 #8

+1, the police drug tested the dead guy!!! WTF is that!? They couldn't show more bias if someone pay uponit7771 Jul 2013 #9

I wonder if Zimmerman refused to go to the ER is that he avebury Jul 2013 #11

This is another good question, I wish the PA coudl bring it up. Also, I don't think the THC evdience uponit7771 Jul 2013 #12

Also, going to the ER might have backfired on Zimmerman's avebury Jul 2013 #14

it would go to bolster the defense Kali Jul 2013 #130

Any blood drawn would have required proper chain of custody and handling magical thyme Jul 2013 #47

I don't see Zimmerman to be very bright avebury Jul 2013 #48

good point. I still suspect, tho, it was more about keeping the true extent of his injuries magical thyme Jul 2013 #52

Very true, premium Jul 2013 #53

The police didn't drug test Trayvon, premium Jul 2013 #13

That's because the police took Z's word for it off the bat instead of questioing ANYTHING they uponit7771 Jul 2013 #15

Yep, that's pretty much what happened, premium Jul 2013 #16

THEN Serino comes to the stand and basically testifies for the defense...given that they are doing uponit7771 Jul 2013 #37

Serino is now a beat cop, a "lateral move" according to him... Spazito Jul 2013 #42

they seem to have really good team work compared to the defense Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #41

I am pretty sure they will put on a rebuttal case based on the testimony of the defense witnesses... Spazito Jul 2013 #7

that's a good point uponit7771 Jul 2013 #10

Do you have any idea when the prosecutors rebuttal is scheduled ? lumpy Jul 2013 #115

Doh!!!! premium Jul 2013 #5

Thanks. The way people have been responding on this forum I wasn't sure if a rebuttal was lumpy Jul 2013 #65

You're welcome! I, too, am hopeful and expecting a solid rebuttal from the State ... Spazito Jul 2013 #74

Muddy/fog = reasonable doubt customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #179

Whoa, Zimmerman isn't in concert with his attornies re testifying... Spazito Jul 2013 #17

And Knock Knock just never seems to learn. nt avebury Jul 2013 #18

Objecting to the judge?? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #20

Yep, it is but it is up to the Judge whether they wish to raise contempt... Spazito Jul 2013 #24

At some point it would become so pokerfan Jul 2013 #46

The defense has given notice they have two more witnesses, very short testimony... Spazito Jul 2013 #51

I agree pokerfan Jul 2013 #86

His legal counsel definitely doesn't want him to testify but the decision is solely Zimmerman's... Spazito Jul 2013 #91

West wants more time to beat Zimmerman into avebury Jul 2013 #21

That's his job naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #50

The judge would never allow him to withdraw. JimDandy Jul 2013 #62

He just trying to do what's best for his client, premium Jul 2013 #58

In addition naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #67

It now sounds like he won't take that stand, premium Jul 2013 #72

Just to be clear, I believe they stated they had two brief witnesses prior to the Judge asking... Spazito Jul 2013 #76

I was going by your earlier post, so I may have been wrong. nt. premium Jul 2013 #78

another livestream link: Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #19

You're welcome, premium Jul 2013 #22

Has the foam dummy been excused? pintobean Jul 2013 #23

LOL! nt avebury Jul 2013 #25

That poor dummy, premium Jul 2013 #27

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #28

Do they clean that thing between uses? Just Saying Jul 2013 #77

my freaking sister called during that and I missed it all! Kali Jul 2013 #134

go to this link Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #178

Every dummy needs some dummy sometimes. n/t customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #180

Dissention in the ranks of the Defense Team? avebury Jul 2013 #26

I love the fly on the wall tweets. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #29

O'Mara looks like a pretty good damn attorney. I'm not surprised chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #31

Should O'Mara win his complete acquittal customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #181

I would have thought Z and his team would have decided if he should testify, no? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #30

they may have decided it Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #33

haha good call! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #87

Let's all make an effort to keep it noncontentious Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #32

I agree 100%. premium Jul 2013 #34

YES!! Zimmerman had OTHER options!! He could've stayed his ass in his vehicle!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #35

+1000. premium Jul 2013 #39

Yeap, not only the dispatcher by the NWP training said wait for the cops...and GZ saying he wouldn't uponit7771 Jul 2013 #43

Than you might agree that Zimmerman is more of a predator Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #66

And Trayvon could've called 911 instead of a friend! lbrtbell Jul 2013 #92

While he was running for Zimmerman?! It's obvious he thought he lost him, Zimmerman knew.. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #97

stop blaming the victim!!! noiretextatique Jul 2013 #106

a black teen call the cops? Kali Jul 2013 #136

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #162

West now the point guard? avebury Jul 2013 #36

Re-Cross: Mr. Root, would events have gone avebury Jul 2013 #38

...I think Costner is setting this up, would go towards man slaughter cause Z didn't pay attention uponit7771 Jul 2013 #40

Mr. Root - Could a hit to the nose be a result of avebury Jul 2013 #44

Time for an update on the jury. avebury Jul 2013 #45

I'm sure the jury has had enough of this "expert." Jim__ Jul 2013 #49

WHY is he back again? Given this morning's performance you'd think... dorkzilla Jul 2013 #54

GZ certainly had a "warrior mindset" when he attacked that police officer NatBurner Jul 2013 #55

Bloom on MSNBC just wondered when Root said Zimmerman is not the kind chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #56

Hopefully uponit7771 Jul 2013 #61

He doesn't have a criminal record. Vattel Jul 2013 #70

Missed it, who is on the witness stand now? tia uponit7771 Jul 2013 #57

Zimmerman's former neighbor. Jim__ Jul 2013 #59

thx uponit7771 Jul 2013 #68

What is the purpose of this witness? madaboutharry Jul 2013 #60

Lisa Bloom former Court TV reporter and attorney just made a great point senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #63

I hope so. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #69

I hope that the prosecution walks through that door. yardwork Jul 2013 #73

Doubtful. The prosecution could have objected, JimDandy Jul 2013 #95

The judge denied it? senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #157

"Yes or No" polly7 Jul 2013 #64

Hopefully that convinces the jury to disregard this guy's testimony. Jim__ Jul 2013 #71

That's what I was thinking. polly7 Jul 2013 #75

Papa Zimmerman's gonna testify!!! senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #79

Z's father? no audio for me....tia uponit7771 Jul 2013 #80

Yes, he's on the stand now. senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #81

Yes, premium Jul 2013 #83

and then... dumdum dum dum DUMMMM.. will he? or won't he? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #90

Whoa, anyone notice the trace THC issue has not come up and this is supposedly... Spazito Jul 2013 #82

Wouldn't that help the prosecution then if they could bring up Z's prescription drug use? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #89

Well, seeing as the defence chose not to raise the issue they fought so hard to have admitted... Spazito Jul 2013 #94

so they both decided to just not bring that info up? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #96

The defense opened the door, the State didn't... Spazito Jul 2013 #101

Didn't the jury already hear about the THC in TM's system? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #110

No, the defense realized it was a big OOPS to try and get it into testimony... Spazito Jul 2013 #145

But I heard him say it Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #147

I am not sure, I thought they were present when the ME mentioned the trace THC but other posts... Spazito Jul 2013 #148

I thought so too. It was during his regular testimony and I was surprised that Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #173

I was surprised at no objection as well, that's why I am not sure the jury was present... Spazito Jul 2013 #174

Go for it, Georgie! Please! Jim__ Jul 2013 #84

I am betting he won't but I am so hoping I am wrong and he... Spazito Jul 2013 #88

I'm on the edge of my chair Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #93

Me too! Spazito Jul 2013 #98

lol now I want a beer. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #99

I will join you in the toast! Spazito Jul 2013 #102

hear, hear! To Truth and Justice Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #109

The dignity and grace she has exhibited throughout has been... Spazito Jul 2013 #113

I can't imagine how hard it would be to... Bay Boy Jul 2013 #176

I can't imagine either yet both did so showing incredible strength... Spazito Jul 2013 #177

Lisa Bloom just said that open court is ended for today, and the judge wants a decision about Z's senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #85

so Z wont testify. Wonder how this will look after the trial is over. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #100

Refresh my memory. Who is Pollock? nt avebury Jul 2013 #103

Gym owner madaboutharry Jul 2013 #104

Impeachment of this witness on the horizon it seems... Spazito Jul 2013 #107

I don't recall his testimony, or why he would be impeached? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #111

Impeachment is not proper in rebuttal, so the scope is an issue. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #112

I see.. but what was his original testimony about? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #117

Formal impeachment isn't allowed but actual impeachment-discrediting the testimony is... Spazito Jul 2013 #127

He testified that Zimmerman, even though he was taking MMA classes three times a... Spazito Jul 2013 #121

but he said "absolutely not" Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #163

Yes but the Judge sustained the defense's objection to that line of questioning... Spazito Jul 2013 #167

aha.. I had to leave off watching just at the point of his objection. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #168

Well, it IS the defendent's right to choose not to testify and the jury is given... Spazito Jul 2013 #169

this guy? from the gym? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #108

Adam Pollock riverwalker Jul 2013 #175

I just want to add my thanks to both you and GSC for starting these threads... Spazito Jul 2013 #105

I second that. Thank you. n/t TDale313 Jul 2013 #118

The PA is on to something. avebury Jul 2013 #114

But can he get it in? Jim__ Jul 2013 #116

How the guy on the one hand talk about what a disaster avebury Jul 2013 #123

Oh jeez. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #120

ANd remember, he had to be in court the day after his avebury Jul 2013 #129

What's happening now?? Cross exam?? Ninga Jul 2013 #122

The jury is being excused for now. nt avebury Jul 2013 #124

Proffer? he is testifying out of jury's presence - after a 15 min break. Jim__ Jul 2013 #125

They're not offering "Zimmerman classes" Azathoth Jul 2013 #126

It is absurd given he, in essence, testified to how crappy his training was... Spazito Jul 2013 #131

Screen shot of the gym's Zim page pintobean Jul 2013 #119

The gym isn't marketing with that page - lynne Jul 2013 #128

That's the way I see it, too. pintobean Jul 2013 #133

It says nothing about limiting enquiries to the media and, if you will note, there is a * Spazito Jul 2013 #135

No, it doesn't say "media only" - lynne Jul 2013 #138

Not a stretch at all, imo Spazito Jul 2013 #140

He should have titled the page "Press" madaboutharry Jul 2013 #137

I agree it was poorly done - lynne Jul 2013 #139

Why did they go into recess again so soon after the avebury Jul 2013 #132

What do Phil Spector, Drew Peterson, and George Zimmerman have in common? Nevernose Jul 2013 #141

Another day listening to how violent Zippo seems/wants to be -- fight training and a gun toter. Hoyt Jul 2013 #142

PA is going after Zimmerman's prior bad acts avebury Jul 2013 #143

Yes and no Nevernose Jul 2013 #144

I have to say I hope the Judge doesn't allow this as I think it would open the door to... Spazito Jul 2013 #146

Trayvon smoking pot has nothing to do with what happened that night Beaverhausen Jul 2013 #150

It is the issue of 'prior bad acts', if that door is opened by one side... Spazito Jul 2013 #154

It's rebuttal, not prior bad acts Nevernose Jul 2013 #152

It is testimony as to 'prior bad acts' ie assault of a undercover officer 8 years previously... Spazito Jul 2013 #158

Wow! Several Defense witnesses have been avebury Jul 2013 #149

Judge Nelson was very annoyed last night about madaboutharry Jul 2013 #153

The number of alleged violations appear to be growing. avebury Jul 2013 #155

Even Zimmerman's FRIENDS suck. Nevernose Jul 2013 #156

Add to that Zimmerman's lawyers as they were present when Goode violated... Spazito Jul 2013 #159

If jury instructions are tonight is the prosecution not doing a rebuttal? chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #151

It sure seems like it at this point... Spazito Jul 2013 #171

Wouldn't it be the responsibilty of the attorneys avebury Jul 2013 #160

The Judge has complete discretion in this regard... Spazito Jul 2013 #161

maybe once the trial is concluded? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #165

It didn't sound like it to me from her rulings... Spazito Jul 2013 #166

So as a result, she made a mouse of a molehill avebury Jul 2013 #170

Yes, I admit I am disappointed by her lack of action on this... Spazito Jul 2013 #172

The Judge stated the jury will not be in attendence until 1:00 pm when the closing... Spazito Jul 2013 #164