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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] kentuck Jul 2013 OP

Same here. Lugnut Jul 2013 #1

I hope the jury comes down in the middle of Zimmerman's back with both feet. He killed that kid for shraby Jul 2013 #2

I'm sure the fight could have been stopped EC Jul 2013 #3

One thing we know for sure... world wide wally Jul 2013 #73

Whatever happened to just saying SCVDem Jul 2013 #215

Bigots and gun nuts defend him. It is very sick and disgusting. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #4

I own 2 hand guns and 2 long guns. By DU standards that makes me a gun nut, and ... 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #9

I support the right to bare arms. I'm not referring to gun owners. I'm referring to gun NUTS!!! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #10

If they want the right to bare arms let them wear T shirts. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #14

+1 ReRe Jul 2013 #24

I prefer tank tops wpelb Jul 2013 #52

Better yet, tank tops. maddiemom Jul 2013 #54

This is a bare arm on a bear... chknltl Jul 2013 #158

I'm a gun nut and have identified as such for a while. Screw Zimmerman. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #16

If my comments don't refer to you, then you shouldn't be offended. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #44

I know no offense. Just remember that some of us are gun nuts willingly and responsibly. :) Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #46

Gun nuts has a specific meaning now LynnTTT Jul 2013 #47

Because I'm a gun nut. I am what I am. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #50

What you describe here is NOT what I am referring to. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #61

Oh, aye, and I responded to you a few posts down. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #63

Thanks. That helps. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #69

Depends on your definition of "gun nuts". For me, a gun nut is someone who places no limitations Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #57

Ah, see, that's a vital distinction. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #62

A gun nut is that which goes behind the gun bolt Kennah Jul 2013 #161

with heaven05 Jul 2013 #48

Actually, I own a few more than that. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #137

I dont own any guns and I dont even belive in them BigD_95 Jul 2013 #173

I agree 100%. HappyMe Jul 2013 #5

His attorney said that Zim was so upset he gained 100 lbs, and perhaps that was punishment enough! 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #11

Okay then. HappyMe Jul 2013 #13

Didn't he and the wife blow through $300,000? displacedtexan Jul 2013 #81

I remember when this all started mimi85 Jul 2013 #131

No. aquart Jul 2013 #126

Sounds like an out-of-control personality disorder indepat Jul 2013 #130

That's just one of many things bothering me about Zimmerman. calimary Jul 2013 #12

He is a murderer. HappyMe Jul 2013 #17

And that upsets me even more. They'll all take it as validation. And justification. calimary Jul 2013 #22

You are better than most lawyers. Most lawyers will do and say any damn thing to win the case. lumpy Jul 2013 #23

"Most lawyers will do and say any damn thing"? Not the reluctant prosecutor. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #39

Is it hard for you to lift that big brush...? Whiskeytide Jul 2013 #93

Well put davidpdx Jul 2013 #139

There it is. Right there. calimary Jul 2013 #199

I get the impression Zim has something very wrong w/him. southerncrone Jul 2013 #152

My feelings also. Good post. nt brush Jul 2013 #189

"....he judged and decided that this 'fucking punk'... WASN'T going to get away..." live love laugh Jul 2013 #207

I knew that about cops, mostly from TV until a college friend of my daughter's maddiemom Jul 2013 #59

I haven't seen him show any kind of emotion. Jenoch Jul 2013 #77

PTSD? HappyMe Jul 2013 #79

It amazes me also how the one who shot/killed was not tested for drugs but treated with kid gloves uppityperson Jul 2013 #6

Yes, that too. HappyMe Jul 2013 #7

OH and to be told on DU there was no REASON to drug test him Skittles Jul 2013 #21

And given 100% benefit of the doubt. I'm shocked that it's here at DU. I didn't expect so many Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #37

That whole Police Dept should be sued... ReRe Jul 2013 #41

Seriously. They didn't even try to cover themmselves (police dept). And the rest of what you write. uppityperson Jul 2013 #43

This Police Department has preformed FarPoint Jul 2013 #176

passions handmade34 Jul 2013 #8

Everything in your post is spot on .... Whiskeytide Jul 2013 #20

I see your point BUT cntrygrl Jul 2013 #86

I think that's much more likely... Whiskeytide Jul 2013 #90

They already settled with insurance making the payment ceonupe Jul 2013 #133

I had not heard that. Whiskeytide Jul 2013 #179

Z's father was not and is not a judge. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #214

THANK YOU!! How can you claim self-defense when you intiate the contact? Yavin4 Jul 2013 #15

It doesn't matter that Zimmerman initiated contact or got our of his car Bonduel Jul 2013 #208

I am astounded that the prosecution is not focusing more on the time before the "fight". jtuck004 Jul 2013 #18

The relative inaction of the reluctant prosecutor may let him walk. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #40

I agree that it is an attempt at a sham trial, but no one in their right mind MH1 Jul 2013 #222

I see Zimmerman libodem Jul 2013 #19

Wow - a MOST valuable post, libodem! calimary Jul 2013 #25

well handmade34 Jul 2013 #33

With malice of forethought libodem Jul 2013 #38

aforethought nt tiny elvis Jul 2013 #100

Nice post Jim9090 Jul 2013 #82

Do you think Zimmerman is innocent? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #83

Yes Jim9090 Jul 2013 #99

how is T misguided and what was his bad decision? elehhhhna Jul 2013 #103

Sure Jim9090 Jul 2013 #109

The man is a murderer! I do not feel sorry for him. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #110

Not dangerous? Heck, he was training to kill with his hands, and carried a gun Hoyt Jul 2013 #114

k, thanks elehhhhna Jul 2013 #115

he STALKED AND KILLED AN INNOCENT PERSON Skittles Jul 2013 #145

I have trouble with understanding why in the world Trayvon would have attacked Zimmerman Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #146

How do you sucker punch someone lolly Jul 2013 #155

When Zimmerman started to pursue Trayvon Martion, his mantle of innocence collapsed. Kennah Jul 2013 #165

Naivete is a wonderful thing brush Jul 2013 #193

oh, my, this post was even funnier than your first. again, thanks for the laughs. niyad Jul 2013 #197

Everyone has a right to their opinions, but are yours actually backed up by the facts. olegramps Jul 2013 #200

Thank you for being civil Jim9090 Jul 2013 #212

After five hours of cross-examination they were unable to shake her basic facts. olegramps Jul 2013 #229

True Jim9090 Jul 2013 #231

go ahead and describe the misguidance of martin, as 'i believe' and 'i feel' tiny elvis Jul 2013 #104

"Trayvon was misguided" I disagree completely. I think Zimmerman was the aggressor and should go to hrmjustin Jul 2013 #108

so you think Zimmerman followed Martin behind the buildings to figure out where he was magical thyme Jul 2013 #113

I am convince some people have an agenda in supporting Zimmerman by wanting to accept his lumpy Jul 2013 #116

WHAT?? BigD_95 Jul 2013 #174

Pure speculation on your part. Vattel Jul 2013 #118

there is no proof that Martin approached Zimmerman's car, magical thyme Jul 2013 #120

"Zimmerman expressed relief when told by Serino that the whole thing was video-taped" Lurks Often Jul 2013 #123

pathological liars have no problem bluffing. magical thyme Jul 2013 #125

The inability of the State to explain away Zimmerman's injuries Lurks Often Jul 2013 #127

Self defense is not an argument if you are the instigator of the conflict. quakerboy Jul 2013 #183

Under Florida law you are wrong Lurks Often Jul 2013 #185

If she has a pipe and starts beating you in the ribs and on the head then yes it would be self Bonduel Jul 2013 #223

Pathological liars have no problem bluffing? That is really desperate. Vattel Jul 2013 #138

The simplest explanation in this case being quakerboy Jul 2013 #181

ZIMMERMANS INJURIES!!! are NOT significant injuries! Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #148

And you keep missing the point and what the law says. Lurks Often Jul 2013 #184

no, I'm not missing the point of the law.. that's not the point Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #190

Indeed, there were so many inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, and his behavior calimary Jul 2013 #124

I am afraid I have to disagree with almost everything you said. Vattel Jul 2013 #136

Didn't Zimmerman have law enforcement training neohippie Jul 2013 #218

YES! Very good post brush Jul 2013 #195

Source? lolly Jul 2013 #156

Z's father was not and is not a judge. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #216

I don't think it's a myth as much as confusion over the term. Just Saying Jul 2013 #228

oh yeah, except for that whole "assaulting an officer with violence thing" niyad Jul 2013 #196

If he was on Ritalin it implies he was ADHD. defacto7 Jul 2013 #160

I think this is the way the jury will analyze the evidence too. nt Lex Jul 2013 #26

I agree. I don't understand how you can get out of your car and then claim self defense. Skeeter Barnes Jul 2013 #27

How do you know Zimmerman got out of his car after the 9-11 dispatcher's advice? Blue Bike Jul 2013 #28

The dispatcher told him not to follow. Whether he was in his truck at the time or not, he liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #35

Untrue. FBaggins Jul 2013 #188

moot point handmade34 Jul 2013 #36

Thanks... ReRe Jul 2013 #45

7:16 PM of the clock, not 7:16 into the call. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #217

Right... I typed in pm and then removed it as I thought pm was apparent.. ReRe Jul 2013 #225

If Zimmerman stopped following TRayvon at one point, Trayvon shoulnd't have attacked him Blue Bike Jul 2013 #60

no handmade34 Jul 2013 #70

Oh for fuck's sake. This shit again. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #140

This ^^^^ ctsnowman Jul 2013 #226

What reason would Trayvon possibly have had for an unprovoked attack with intent to kill? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #149

He said so in one of his statements Nevernose Jul 2013 #65

Actually, YOU CAN HEAR HIS HARD BREATHING as he's following him and which prompted the Ecumenist Jul 2013 #97

listen to Zimmerman's multiple accounts in his interviews neohippie Jul 2013 #219

I said this before DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #29

Pretty safe bet Flatulo Jul 2013 #128

A black or brown male is killed every hour in America ceonupe Jul 2013 #135

"What sick mind can rationalize such behavior as self-defense?" Jenoch Jul 2013 #30

If Martin unjustifiably attacked him, Vattel Jul 2013 #31

I'd like your opinion of post 34..... CatWoman Jul 2013 #42

wtf? if I could make monkeys fly out my heine elehhhhna Jul 2013 #101

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #141

Hmm, I guess you think that Martin did not attack Zimmerman and try to slam Vattel Jul 2013 #164

Right, the Martin kid was a killer on the hunt and Zimmerman was his prey. reusrename Jul 2013 #182

Pathetic Vattel Jul 2013 #230

what's your explanation for your theory? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #151

Martin has a right to defend himself against a person chasing him in the dark with a gun uponit7771 Jul 2013 #191

Ditto yardwork Jul 2013 #32

Exactly! It's def as if Zimmerman sought to kill Trayvon Martin! hue Jul 2013 #34

I'm amazed by the contortions our legal system makes possible. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #49

Zimmerman The Wizard Jul 2013 #51

I have not been following it very closely NewJeffCT Jul 2013 #53

Forensics is our last hope of him being convicted of something. The testimony from the defense Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #67

thanks for the update NewJeffCT Jul 2013 #96

Martin's past has not been allowed in at all to date. Lurks Often Jul 2013 #122

A lot will depend on the exact instructions given to the jury wpelb Jul 2013 #55

The Zimmerman Coward will not testify. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #56

Well said. I have NO sympathy for him. mbperrin Jul 2013 #58

Well said. historylovr Jul 2013 #64

The young woman who testified this afternoon talking about the home invasion Grammy23 Jul 2013 #66

I wonder PADemD Jul 2013 #102

Just one thing brush Jul 2013 #201

I thought two arrests had already been made in the home invasions case? Lucinda Jul 2013 #142

I think he is going to get at least manslaughter and totodeinhere Jul 2013 #68

I, too, hope he is convicted of at least manslaughter. I won't hold my breath Grammy23 Jul 2013 #71

Stand your ground.... TNNurse Jul 2013 #72

welcome to DU. Excellent point. elehhhhna Jul 2013 #106

What sick mind... DirtyDawg Jul 2013 #74

He'll walk. O-Town Blue Jul 2013 #75

Unless Florida law permits lesser charges... bluedeathray Jul 2013 #76

Hey, the guy I attacked fought back. That's not fair. tclambert Jul 2013 #78

In a nut shell!!!! n/t etherealtruth Jul 2013 #117

And it amazes me... Jim9090 Jul 2013 #80

So what??! The Dispatch didn't say don't get out of your car she indicated she didn't need Z to... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #85

You missed my point Jim9090 Jul 2013 #92

I would agree that it is hard to fight with one arm behind your back... kentuck Jul 2013 #95

Completely fucking wrong. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #143

you're not seeing it from the perspective of a racist gun humper Skittles Jul 2013 #147

The evidence does not support brush Jul 2013 #205

Zimmerman never said he was attacked "at his car". Captain Stern Jul 2013 #119

I didn't say I wasn't following the trial - I said I wasn't commenting much on it... kentuck Jul 2013 #91

it is NOT about Zimmerman's contention hfojvt Jul 2013 #162

So he was already following him? kentuck Jul 2013 #177

whether it makes him more innocent or less hfojvt Jul 2013 #213

welcome to hell n00b hfojvt Jul 2013 #163

But he did follow Martin brush Jul 2013 #203

GZ is a first class moron amuse bouche Jul 2013 #84

92% of the 15,000 Soundman Jul 2013 #87

the site which is associated with that station Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #132

There is no sense Soundman Jul 2013 #186

Martin was also a minor. Zimmerman was an adult male. anneboleyn Jul 2013 #88

Thank you AnneBoleyn, EXACTLY what I've been saying all along. Ecumenist Jul 2013 #98

If justice isn't found in the courtroom Cheap_Trick Jul 2013 #89

Just curious... Jim9090 Jul 2013 #105

That is how I see it too KT2000 Jul 2013 #94

I am equally astounded etherealtruth Jul 2013 #107

That's the crux of it. But for Zimmerman's playing cop, a kid would be alive. DirkGently Jul 2013 #111

Sorry, zimmy's story does not track. Think about this brush Jul 2013 #206

This is why I am hopeful for some guilty verdict. nt boston bean Jul 2013 #112

Zimmerman is going to rightfully escape being convicted neffernin Jul 2013 #121

What if Zimmerman didn't have a gun? marlin56 Jul 2013 #129

yeah, the ex-sanford PD chief said he wouldn't have arrested GZ if he Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #134

you make a great point BigD_95 Jul 2013 #175

Armed man shoots and kills unarmed man. B Calm Jul 2013 #144

except it was armed man shoots and kills unarmed minor. niyad Jul 2013 #198

If my comments are incorrect: kentuck Jul 2013 #150

One thing we know locks Jul 2013 #153

The Prosecution Has Been Brain Dead In This Trial DallasNE Jul 2013 #154

His sleazy lawyers are pretty damn good. tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #157

It's a payday for them either way. Kennah Jul 2013 #166

I have no sympathy for Zimmerman either. He stalked akbacchus_BC Jul 2013 #159

I've been amazed the same way. crim son Jul 2013 #167

Legal opinion is that he will go free. Kablooie Jul 2013 #168

If Zimmerman is not convicted Enthusiast Jul 2013 #169

I agree. It's unfathomable. myrna minx Jul 2013 #170

This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Jul 2013 #171

This and going against the suggestion of the 911 dispatch is a GOOD reason for man slaughter uponit7771 Jul 2013 #194

You repeated the unproved assertion that he disobeyed the dispatcher Blue Bike Jul 2013 #209

You just said without proof that Zimmerman did not do what the dispatcher told him Blue Bike Jul 2013 #211

because everything you said he did was not against the law BigD_95 Jul 2013 #172

Repeal the "Stand Your Ground" law. kentuck Jul 2013 #178

zimmerman is not using a stand your ground defense Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #180

But it seems the NRA is very interested in this case... kentuck Jul 2013 #187

Neither is someone swinging their arms wildly in a crowded public place...IE the reason we have man uponit7771 Jul 2013 #192

Shooting and killing people is very much against the law. But you know that. enki23 Jul 2013 #224

GZ didn't even own his condo! 4 more years Jul 2013 #202

in my opinion hockeynut57 Jul 2013 #204

"Can I borrow your doll?" live love laugh Jul 2013 #210

It's Seminole County, Florida. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #220

This one really is a litmus test, a bright line separating the filth from everyone else. enki23 Jul 2013 #221

K & R ctsnowman Jul 2013 #227

Since it is obvious no one here knows the facts, I will delete this post. kentuck Jul 2013 #232