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pkdu

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95. This is way beyond any reasonable doubt.

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:49 PM

Jul 2013

Z lived there 4 years. There 3 streets in that area...only 3. He said he left the vehicle to try and find a street sign...He LIED ( and not for the first time in court)

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I see NO dirt or grass stains on Trayvon's pants/knees in the 'dead body' photo Gawker released [View all] Tx4obama Jul 2013 OP

That poor kid JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #1

I still think it's far more likely that a coward/bully like Zimmerman Warpy Jul 2013 #2

I agree with you on this madokie Jul 2013 #3

17 is a child. Fawke Em Jul 2013 #107

I agree, gun had to be drawn for trayvon to scream like that. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #20

That's true. Warpy Jul 2013 #35

Yes. I am certain that Zimmerman had already drawn his gun yardwork Jul 2013 #33

The police reported that the back of Z's coat was wet and covered with grass. hack89 Jul 2013 #4

That would be easy to explain... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #7

When you have eye witness accounts of TM on top hack89 Jul 2013 #13

Well that issue is flawed too... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #14

Yet that witness' physical description of the person on top exactly matched TM hack89 Jul 2013 #16

It was very DARK out there. One witness said it was TOO dark to tell who was on top. n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #17

Yet not dark enough to distinguish MMA moves from a regular ass kicking? OK. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #19

I think it's likely the witness was an MMA fan Just Saying Jul 2013 #53

Zimmermann was the one with mma training bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #56

What common sense tells us is that since Trayvon's pants/knees are clean he could NOT Tx4obama Jul 2013 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Jul 2013 #23

THOSE STAINS WERE NOT ON HIM IN THE PHOTO WHERE HE IS ACTUALLY WEARING THEM bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #34

They are the official police investigation pictures. hack89 Jul 2013 #37

ARE THEY, REALLY? Have you found a LEGITIMATE SOURCE to back this up?? SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #57

How did official police pics of evidence get out to the public? I call bs. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #61

All the evidence is public - just spend some time on Google hack89 Jul 2013 #68

These aren't official police photos wercal Jul 2013 #93

That report says Trayvon was found dead face down in the grass by the first cop DeschutesRiver Jul 2013 #36

I don't know what happened - I wasn't there hack89 Jul 2013 #38

I didn't think you were there. I wondered if you had heard anything during the trial as DeschutesRiver Jul 2013 #48

Nice racist, right-wing site ya linked there. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #50

Thanks - didn't notice the site. I will remove it. hack89 Jul 2013 #51

Zimmerman says it was so dark he couldn't see Trayvon till Trayvon jumped out at him. pnwmom Jul 2013 #63

Ask the prosecution - they choose to put them on the stand hack89 Jul 2013 #70

Didn't the defense also call supposed eye-witnesses? But whoever called them, pnwmom Jul 2013 #74

It was a prosecution witness that testified that TM was on top hack89 Jul 2013 #77

Yeah, and it was Zimmerman who testified that it was too dark to see. pnwmom Jul 2013 #99

So we have conflicting testimony and uncertainty on what happened hack89 Jul 2013 #100

I don't envy the jury either. Too bad the police pre-decided the case, pnwmom Jul 2013 #101

I DO envy the jury. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #103

what does that have to do with the absence of stains on TM's pants? frylock Jul 2013 #10

Evidence has to be taken in its totality hack89 Jul 2013 #11

None of zimmermans dna was on trayvon bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #64

Yet prosecution witnesses describe a fight. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #72

Trayvon was heard screaming as he was trying to get away. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #80

Take it up with the guy who testified about what he actually saw hack89 Jul 2013 #82

you picked the wrong side, dude. shameful. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #39

Pointing out facts is not picking a side hack89 Jul 2013 #40

According to you and in your opinion their is lack of clear evidence in this case. Rex Jul 2013 #42

The legal bar for acquital is "reasonable doubt" hack89 Jul 2013 #44

You are missing a very key word....."BEYOND". nt pkdu Jul 2013 #79

Beyond a reasonable doubt applies to the prosecution hack89 Jul 2013 #81

This is way beyond any reasonable doubt. pkdu Jul 2013 #95

We will find out soon enough. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #96

I guess we will find out in a couple of days. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #91

There is no physical evidence to prove trayvon did what zimmerman claims. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #88

We will find out shortly. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #92

So? He could have fallen down. Maybe Trayvon shoved him out of the way and he slipped. pnwmom Jul 2013 #62

That is not the only pictures of his pants hack89 Jul 2013 #69

The "stains" must have been awfully minor, based on this photo. pnwmom Jul 2013 #71

It will be interesting to see how the jury sees it. hack89 Jul 2013 #78

I'm guessing a couple days. It will be interesting. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #98

BACK IT UP! ...and NOT with a link to a RACIST SITE, like before. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #84

Here are 84 evidence pictures from the trial. (Warning graphic pictures) hack89 Jul 2013 #90

Ya the gun humpers are shitting all over themselves with anger Rex Jul 2013 #5

He also doesn't have pockets. Due to the flash, you can't really see much of anything on his pants geek_sabre Jul 2013 #6

But he wasn't on the grass. He was getting his head bashed in on concrete, supposedly. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #25

... And "rolling in the grass" according to Myrina Jul 2013 #58

. . . And it was so dark outside that Zimmerman says he couldn't see Trayvon pnwmom Jul 2013 #60

... from the nonexistent bushes. Yep, it stinks. Myrina Jul 2013 #65

in the re-enactment he describes lying on grass w/body, at edge of concrete sidewalk Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #104

I believe the PA mention this yesterday in his closing. skeewee08 Jul 2013 #8

interesting. could zimmerman have DesertFlower Jul 2013 #9

Or, a terrified Trayvon could have gotten in one good shot hoping to polly7 Jul 2013 #12

and "mma style 'ground and pound'" lie goes out the window! NO BLOOD ON HIS HANDS! bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #15

If I were on the jury, I would ask to see the pants up close. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #21

Pictures of his pants were entered into evidence by the defense hack89 Jul 2013 #41

I wonder why Zimmerman roled TM over after he killed him? Rex Jul 2013 #43

Unfortunately "many questions" equates to "reasonable doubt" in court. hack89 Jul 2013 #46

Or it leads to the jury Just Saying Jul 2013 #54

True. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #67

I'd want to see the actual pants. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #47

Why wouldn't police evidence pictures be adequate? nt hack89 Jul 2013 #49

Well, I like to figure things out for myself--especially important things. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Jul 2013 #22

That's exactly what I just wondered about. How could they not discuss that in Court??? n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #24

Zimmerman didn't either HockeyMom Jul 2013 #26

There is clearly a wet spot on his left knee. DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #27

Even IF his knees were dirty all it means is that both of them were rolling around on the ground Tx4obama Jul 2013 #28

I AGREE. mfcorey1 Jul 2013 #31

I don't know what happened so I'm not going to comment about that. DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #32

He was found facedown on the grass Just Saying Jul 2013 #55

That was hard to see. DeschutesRiver Jul 2013 #29

Unfortunately that is not true. Sissyk Jul 2013 #30

That picture is just so fucking sad. Zimmerman is a cold blooded killer of a kid. Lex Jul 2013 #45

Yeah, I don't really believe Z's story... Deep13 Jul 2013 #52

Does anyone know what was on Trayvon's button? Just Saying Jul 2013 #59

Photo with the button Tx4obama Jul 2013 #97

Thank you! Just Saying Jul 2013 #102

Photos of grass stained pants were submitted into evidence by the defense. wercal Jul 2013 #66

Thats a bullshit photo from a right wing site bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #73

Well you don't have to believe it wercal Jul 2013 #83

Don't want to leave you out wercal Jul 2013 #89

It's a RACIST RIGHT-WING SITE!!! THAT is the ONLY site with these pics,... SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #76

Dailykos has them wercal Jul 2013 #85

Oops, I'm late to the party. wercal Jul 2013 #87

No grass stains, not wet spots, no dirt on Back of GZ's jacket? displacedtexan Jul 2013 #75

That is the saddest picture I have seen in a while RockaFowler Jul 2013 #94

I have 3 sons and all of them were taller and heavier at 17 than Trayvon... tnlefty Jul 2013 #109

I am tearing up looking at this picture kimbutgar Jul 2013 #105

Same reaction here. It's clear Lex Jul 2013 #106

That is a SKINNY kid! JimDandy Jul 2013 #108