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Fawke Em

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107. 17 is a child.

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:40 PM

Jul 2013

Fuck, so is 19. I don't care that he's "legal."

I have a 14 year old son. He's extremely bright and witty, but he's still a baby.

P.S. A perfect example of this is our 2-year-old hound "puppy." He's technically an adult dog, but he's the baby of the household and is fully aware of it. He's still the puppy. He and my son, in dog years, are both 14, but my Danny Boy is still more two than 14.

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I see NO dirt or grass stains on Trayvon's pants/knees in the 'dead body' photo Gawker released [View all] Tx4obama Jul 2013 OP

That poor kid JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #1

I still think it's far more likely that a coward/bully like Zimmerman Warpy Jul 2013 #2

I agree with you on this madokie Jul 2013 #3

17 is a child. Fawke Em Jul 2013 #107

I agree, gun had to be drawn for trayvon to scream like that. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #20

That's true. Warpy Jul 2013 #35

Yes. I am certain that Zimmerman had already drawn his gun yardwork Jul 2013 #33

The police reported that the back of Z's coat was wet and covered with grass. hack89 Jul 2013 #4

That would be easy to explain... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #7

When you have eye witness accounts of TM on top hack89 Jul 2013 #13

Well that issue is flawed too... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #14

Yet that witness' physical description of the person on top exactly matched TM hack89 Jul 2013 #16

It was very DARK out there. One witness said it was TOO dark to tell who was on top. n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #17

Yet not dark enough to distinguish MMA moves from a regular ass kicking? OK. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #19

I think it's likely the witness was an MMA fan Just Saying Jul 2013 #53

Zimmermann was the one with mma training bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #56

What common sense tells us is that since Trayvon's pants/knees are clean he could NOT Tx4obama Jul 2013 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Jul 2013 #23

THOSE STAINS WERE NOT ON HIM IN THE PHOTO WHERE HE IS ACTUALLY WEARING THEM bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #34

They are the official police investigation pictures. hack89 Jul 2013 #37

ARE THEY, REALLY? Have you found a LEGITIMATE SOURCE to back this up?? SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #57

How did official police pics of evidence get out to the public? I call bs. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #61

All the evidence is public - just spend some time on Google hack89 Jul 2013 #68

These aren't official police photos wercal Jul 2013 #93

That report says Trayvon was found dead face down in the grass by the first cop DeschutesRiver Jul 2013 #36

I don't know what happened - I wasn't there hack89 Jul 2013 #38

I didn't think you were there. I wondered if you had heard anything during the trial as DeschutesRiver Jul 2013 #48

Nice racist, right-wing site ya linked there. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #50

Thanks - didn't notice the site. I will remove it. hack89 Jul 2013 #51

Zimmerman says it was so dark he couldn't see Trayvon till Trayvon jumped out at him. pnwmom Jul 2013 #63

Ask the prosecution - they choose to put them on the stand hack89 Jul 2013 #70

Didn't the defense also call supposed eye-witnesses? But whoever called them, pnwmom Jul 2013 #74

It was a prosecution witness that testified that TM was on top hack89 Jul 2013 #77

Yeah, and it was Zimmerman who testified that it was too dark to see. pnwmom Jul 2013 #99

So we have conflicting testimony and uncertainty on what happened hack89 Jul 2013 #100

I don't envy the jury either. Too bad the police pre-decided the case, pnwmom Jul 2013 #101

I DO envy the jury. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #103

what does that have to do with the absence of stains on TM's pants? frylock Jul 2013 #10

Evidence has to be taken in its totality hack89 Jul 2013 #11

None of zimmermans dna was on trayvon bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #64

Yet prosecution witnesses describe a fight. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #72

Trayvon was heard screaming as he was trying to get away. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #80

Take it up with the guy who testified about what he actually saw hack89 Jul 2013 #82

you picked the wrong side, dude. shameful. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #39

Pointing out facts is not picking a side hack89 Jul 2013 #40

According to you and in your opinion their is lack of clear evidence in this case. Rex Jul 2013 #42

The legal bar for acquital is "reasonable doubt" hack89 Jul 2013 #44

You are missing a very key word....."BEYOND". nt pkdu Jul 2013 #79

Beyond a reasonable doubt applies to the prosecution hack89 Jul 2013 #81

This is way beyond any reasonable doubt. pkdu Jul 2013 #95

We will find out soon enough. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #96

I guess we will find out in a couple of days. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #91

There is no physical evidence to prove trayvon did what zimmerman claims. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #88

We will find out shortly. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #92

So? He could have fallen down. Maybe Trayvon shoved him out of the way and he slipped. pnwmom Jul 2013 #62

That is not the only pictures of his pants hack89 Jul 2013 #69

The "stains" must have been awfully minor, based on this photo. pnwmom Jul 2013 #71

It will be interesting to see how the jury sees it. hack89 Jul 2013 #78

I'm guessing a couple days. It will be interesting. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #98

BACK IT UP! ...and NOT with a link to a RACIST SITE, like before. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #84

Here are 84 evidence pictures from the trial. (Warning graphic pictures) hack89 Jul 2013 #90

Ya the gun humpers are shitting all over themselves with anger Rex Jul 2013 #5

He also doesn't have pockets. Due to the flash, you can't really see much of anything on his pants geek_sabre Jul 2013 #6

But he wasn't on the grass. He was getting his head bashed in on concrete, supposedly. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #25

... And "rolling in the grass" according to Myrina Jul 2013 #58

. . . And it was so dark outside that Zimmerman says he couldn't see Trayvon pnwmom Jul 2013 #60

... from the nonexistent bushes. Yep, it stinks. Myrina Jul 2013 #65

in the re-enactment he describes lying on grass w/body, at edge of concrete sidewalk Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #104

I believe the PA mention this yesterday in his closing. skeewee08 Jul 2013 #8

interesting. could zimmerman have DesertFlower Jul 2013 #9

Or, a terrified Trayvon could have gotten in one good shot hoping to polly7 Jul 2013 #12

and "mma style 'ground and pound'" lie goes out the window! NO BLOOD ON HIS HANDS! bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #15

If I were on the jury, I would ask to see the pants up close. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #21

Pictures of his pants were entered into evidence by the defense hack89 Jul 2013 #41

I wonder why Zimmerman roled TM over after he killed him? Rex Jul 2013 #43

Unfortunately "many questions" equates to "reasonable doubt" in court. hack89 Jul 2013 #46

Or it leads to the jury Just Saying Jul 2013 #54

True. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #67

I'd want to see the actual pants. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #47

Why wouldn't police evidence pictures be adequate? nt hack89 Jul 2013 #49

Well, I like to figure things out for myself--especially important things. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Jul 2013 #22

That's exactly what I just wondered about. How could they not discuss that in Court??? n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #24

Zimmerman didn't either HockeyMom Jul 2013 #26

There is clearly a wet spot on his left knee. DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #27

Even IF his knees were dirty all it means is that both of them were rolling around on the ground Tx4obama Jul 2013 #28

I AGREE. mfcorey1 Jul 2013 #31

I don't know what happened so I'm not going to comment about that. DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #32

He was found facedown on the grass Just Saying Jul 2013 #55

That was hard to see. DeschutesRiver Jul 2013 #29

Unfortunately that is not true. Sissyk Jul 2013 #30

That picture is just so fucking sad. Zimmerman is a cold blooded killer of a kid. Lex Jul 2013 #45

Yeah, I don't really believe Z's story... Deep13 Jul 2013 #52

Does anyone know what was on Trayvon's button? Just Saying Jul 2013 #59

Photo with the button Tx4obama Jul 2013 #97

Thank you! Just Saying Jul 2013 #102

Photos of grass stained pants were submitted into evidence by the defense. wercal Jul 2013 #66

Thats a bullshit photo from a right wing site bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #73

Well you don't have to believe it wercal Jul 2013 #83

Don't want to leave you out wercal Jul 2013 #89

It's a RACIST RIGHT-WING SITE!!! THAT is the ONLY site with these pics,... SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #76

Dailykos has them wercal Jul 2013 #85

Oops, I'm late to the party. wercal Jul 2013 #87

No grass stains, not wet spots, no dirt on Back of GZ's jacket? displacedtexan Jul 2013 #75

That is the saddest picture I have seen in a while RockaFowler Jul 2013 #94

I have 3 sons and all of them were taller and heavier at 17 than Trayvon... tnlefty Jul 2013 #109

I am tearing up looking at this picture kimbutgar Jul 2013 #105

Same reaction here. It's clear Lex Jul 2013 #106

That is a SKINNY kid! JimDandy Jul 2013 #108