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ConservativeDemocrat

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69. Well, *I* wouldn't.

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:27 PM

Jul 2013

I objected to Bush's position on warrantless wiretapping because, in my opinion, without court oversight, it was entirely unconstitutional. I did not object to the FISA court system set up by Jimmy Carter, which is what President Obama restored, because there are significant checks and balances inside it. People who would never vote for President Obama in a million years have full access to see what is going on.

Had Bush kept Carter's FISA court system, overseen by Bush's political opponents, I wouldn't have objected to that either.

In none of those cases would I approve of someone going off and deliberately acting as a spy, revealing information to damage U.S. national security, as Snowden has.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Here's why the Snowden imbroglio makes no sense: [View all] riqster Jul 2013 OP

just because one partisan blogger spins it a particular way Enrique Jul 2013 #1

How then do his actions make sense? nt riqster Jul 2013 #3

the fact that he's not in a U.S. prison Enrique Jul 2013 #7

Manning is in a MILITARY prison, NOT part of the US Prison System. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2013 #12

that fact is not related to my point n/t Enrique Jul 2013 #15

Yes it is... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2013 #36

If he had gone public in the US, then he would have more likely ended up pnwmom Jul 2013 #30

That was then when we had some semblance of rule of law. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #87

Brown didn't limit himself to reporting and investigation. pnwmom Jul 2013 #88

Obviously you have not watched the piece nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #90

They make perfect sense for someone who did a lot more than just blow a whistle. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #11

+1 ucrdem Jul 2013 #28

This is how it seems to me, too. pnwmom Jul 2013 #32

When he taunts, and Greenwald taunts about having much more flamingdem Jul 2013 #38

Really nuanced thinking. Sure a lot eludes that blogger. leveymg Jul 2013 #2

For clarity's sake it was Hong Kong not mainland China think Jul 2013 #4

I can see granting that point. I can see others not granting it, too. randome Jul 2013 #6

If memory serves me right he was told to get out of dodge think Jul 2013 #9

But China has ultimate control and easily had access to Snowden and his computers pnwmom Jul 2013 #33

you know this, how? grasswire Jul 2013 #44

Business travelers have found this out the hard way. pnwmom Jul 2013 #64

but Edward Snowden is not a "business traveler" grasswire Jul 2013 #70

You don't think any of those business travelers work for companies that have pnwmom Jul 2013 #72

maybe Snowden left his real laptops at home too. grasswire Jul 2013 #74

he has four NSA laptops with him nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #75

and how do we know this to be true? grasswire Jul 2013 #78

Well I read it in the Guardian, so maybe it is bullshit. You have a point. arely staircase Jul 2013 #82

We know only what he and Greenwald have told people -- that he was carrying 4 laptops. pnwmom Jul 2013 #79

have you ever considered the notion of decoys? grasswire Jul 2013 #81

and other Guardian reporters arely staircase Jul 2013 #83

he has given up his right to live in a free country so that you and I might have the hope of living Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #5

So, what, are we doing Jesus comparisons now? railsback Jul 2013 #17

"Let he who is without metadata cast the first stone." randome Jul 2013 #20

Nice railsback Jul 2013 #22

OMG the exaggeration! treestar Jul 2013 #18

if it was not for Snowden's actions- whoever he is, whatever his politics, whatever kind of person Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #58

No one would be discussing it? treestar Jul 2013 #59

it was not in the common public domain. very few people knew or cared about it Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #62

The public domain discussion treestar Jul 2013 #63

the robotic abandonment of principle for the sake of blind partisanship is sad Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #66

Abandonment of facts, reality and law treestar Jul 2013 #67

If Bush or any Republican was President now - you would be saying something entirely different Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #68

Well, *I* wouldn't. ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #69

The size, scope, political license, level of technology - that exist in this ever increasing and Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #73

another Obama devotee blogger, yawn quinnox Jul 2013 #8

A collection of lies from the Smear Machine. former9thward Jul 2013 #10

Nobody in Venezuela is "far freer" than anyone here treestar Jul 2013 #19

Fail. former9thward Jul 2013 #27

How does he know he would? treestar Jul 2013 #41

What Then Does One Call The Private Industrial Prison System - America's Gulags cantbeserious Jul 2013 #31

Different Issues treestar Jul 2013 #42

And You Are Sure Of The Reassurances From A Justice Department Unwilling To Prosecute Wall Street cantbeserious Jul 2013 #47

How about following the Zimmeran case or other specific cases? treestar Jul 2013 #53

Great Misdirection - Have A Wonderful Day cantbeserious Jul 2013 #55

People get sent to prison every day in the USA without going to trial Fumesucker Jul 2013 #49

Are you serious? treestar Jul 2013 #54

Is your point that he would be more free in the good ole USofA? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #45

Yes. He can answer to those charges according to our system treestar Jul 2013 #50

You think he would be allowed to be free in the USofA? Your rhetoric didnt answer rhett o rick Jul 2013 #56

"Free" does not mean that one never has to answer to criminal charges! treestar Jul 2013 #61

Free means "not in a friggin prison." Of course in this "free" country, more people are "not free" rhett o rick Jul 2013 #84

Why do you assume that means something wrong automatically? treestar Jul 2013 #86

Accused criminals are ALWAYS more free when granted asylum outside the country. randome Jul 2013 #51

Daniel Ellsburg didn't end up in a gulag. He was let out on bail, and charges pnwmom Jul 2013 #34

Who is Snowden spying for? former9thward Jul 2013 #97

I don't know who Snowden may be spying for, other than himself, but he has leaked information pnwmom Jul 2013 #103

Ellsberg got lucky. former9thward Jul 2013 #104

Where to start, where to start... riqster Jul 2013 #94

Where to start? former9thward Jul 2013 #96

No they are not lies. riqster Jul 2013 #98

Your link did not have one statement by Snowden. former9thward Jul 2013 #99

Then you either did not read them, or riqster Jul 2013 #101

That's ok - The US helps out all those countries in varied ways. So I guess that makes us...what? nt The Straight Story Jul 2013 #13

partners? think Jul 2013 #16

Realistic nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #39

Talk about making no sense... Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #14

criminals have limited choices for a reason sigmasix Jul 2013 #21

Disguised himself, exactly treestar Jul 2013 #46

Why bother yourself with what's true? You seem to think your attitude is enough. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #85

When your thinking makes no sense, you need to start examining your premises. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #23

If you defect, you have to defect to the other side. FarCenter Jul 2013 #24

Unless, of course, you live outside the USA and have an objective viewpoint, in which case Coyotl Jul 2013 #25

seriously? you think you can divorce Snowden from President Obama's expanded cali Jul 2013 #26

Yet, ProSense Jul 2013 #29

Typical Cali post. riqster Jul 2013 #95

It's imbroglio, not inbroglio cali Jul 2013 #35

M and N are right next to each other on the keyboard, could easily be a typo rather than misspelling Fumesucker Jul 2013 #52

A typo indeed. Thanks, I'll fix it. riqster Jul 2013 #93

Oh please. Deliberately irrational spin. Here, he'd be in prison. DirkGently Jul 2013 #37

The post is intellectually dishonest. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #40

+1 cali Jul 2013 #43

Nailed it. ++ DirkGently Jul 2013 #57

+10 RC Jul 2013 #65

The definition of insanity......... wandy Jul 2013 #48

Very well stated. N/T potone Jul 2013 #60

A $200,000 a year compensation isn't "cheep ass" ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #71

That's just what Booz Allen Hamilton paid him............ wandy Jul 2013 #76

Precisely how did the Russians "get it"? grasswire Jul 2013 #80

Quit frankley, I don't we will ever know that.......... wandy Jul 2013 #89

then why make a declarative statement that the "Russians got it"? grasswire Jul 2013 #91

If it is there, why would the Russians NOT have it...... wandy Jul 2013 #92

Snowden Sux!!! nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #77

Of course the Snowden imbroglio has to do with domestic NSA surveillance muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #100

it's 'two minutes hate' for snowden already? markiv Jul 2013 #102