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In reply to the discussion: Here's why the Snowden imbroglio makes no sense: [View all]Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)73. The size, scope, political license, level of technology - that exist in this ever increasing and
highly secretive Surveillance State of today is something way beyond anything that the Jimmy Carter Administration ever envisioned. It is not reasonable to deny the incredible danger it represents to the future of a free and democratic society.
The NSA's metastasised intelligence-industrial complex is ripe for abuse
Where oversight and accountability have failed, Snowden's leaks have opened up a vital public debate on our rights and privacy
by Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 23 June 2013 13.00 BST
Let's be absolutely clear about the news that the NSA collects massive amounts of information on US citizens from emails, to telephone calls, to videos, under the Prism program and other Fisa court orders: this story has nothing to do with Edward Snowden. As interesting as his flight to Hong Kong might be, the pole-dancing girlfriend, and interviews from undisclosed locations, his fate is just a sideshow to the essential issues of national security versus constitutional guarantees of privacy, which his disclosures have surfaced in sharp relief.
Snowden will be hunted relentlessly and, when finally found, with glee, brought back to the US in handcuffs and severely punished. (If Private Bradley Manning's obscene conditions while incarcerated are any indication, it won't be pleasant for Snowden either, even while awaiting trial.) Snowden has already been the object of scorn and derision from the Washington establishment and mainstream media, but, once again, the focus is misplaced on the transiently shiny object. The relevant issue should be: what exactly is the US government doing in the people's name to "keep us safe" from terrorists?
We are now dealing with a vast intelligence-industrial complex that is largely unaccountable to its citizens. This alarming, unchecked growth of the intelligence sector and the increasingly heavy reliance on subcontractors to carry out core intelligence tasks now estimated to account for approximately 60% of the intelligence budget have intensified since the 9/11 attacks and what was, arguably, our regrettable over-reaction to them.
Today, the intelligence sector is so immense that no one person can manage, or even comprehend, its reach. When an operation in the field goes south, who would we prefer to try and correct the damage: a government employee whose loyalty belongs to his country (despite a modest salary), or the subcontractor who wants to ensure that his much fatter paycheck keeps coming? - Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/23/nsa-intelligence-industrial-complex-abuse
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They make perfect sense for someone who did a lot more than just blow a whistle.
Benton D Struckcheon
Jul 2013
#11
But China has ultimate control and easily had access to Snowden and his computers
pnwmom
Jul 2013
#33
Well I read it in the Guardian, so maybe it is bullshit. You have a point.
arely staircase
Jul 2013
#82
We know only what he and Greenwald have told people -- that he was carrying 4 laptops.
pnwmom
Jul 2013
#79
he has given up his right to live in a free country so that you and I might have the hope of living
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#5
if it was not for Snowden's actions- whoever he is, whatever his politics, whatever kind of person
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#58
it was not in the common public domain. very few people knew or cared about it
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#62
the robotic abandonment of principle for the sake of blind partisanship is sad
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#66
If Bush or any Republican was President now - you would be saying something entirely different
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#68
The size, scope, political license, level of technology - that exist in this ever increasing and
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#73
What Then Does One Call The Private Industrial Prison System - America's Gulags
cantbeserious
Jul 2013
#31
And You Are Sure Of The Reassurances From A Justice Department Unwilling To Prosecute Wall Street
cantbeserious
Jul 2013
#47
You think he would be allowed to be free in the USofA? Your rhetoric didnt answer
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#56
Free means "not in a friggin prison." Of course in this "free" country, more people are "not free"
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#84
Accused criminals are ALWAYS more free when granted asylum outside the country.
randome
Jul 2013
#51
I don't know who Snowden may be spying for, other than himself, but he has leaked information
pnwmom
Jul 2013
#103
That's ok - The US helps out all those countries in varied ways. So I guess that makes us...what? nt
The Straight Story
Jul 2013
#13
Why bother yourself with what's true? You seem to think your attitude is enough.
Waiting For Everyman
Jul 2013
#85
When your thinking makes no sense, you need to start examining your premises. nt
bemildred
Jul 2013
#23
Unless, of course, you live outside the USA and have an objective viewpoint, in which case
Coyotl
Jul 2013
#25
M and N are right next to each other on the keyboard, could easily be a typo rather than misspelling
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#52
Of course the Snowden imbroglio has to do with domestic NSA surveillance
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2013
#100