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rhett o rick

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84. Free means "not in a friggin prison." Of course in this "free" country, more people are "not free"

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Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:27 PM

Jul 2013

(incarcerated) per capita than any other major nation.

Do you want the Patriot Act repealed?

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Here's why the Snowden imbroglio makes no sense: [View all] riqster Jul 2013 OP

just because one partisan blogger spins it a particular way Enrique Jul 2013 #1

How then do his actions make sense? nt riqster Jul 2013 #3

the fact that he's not in a U.S. prison Enrique Jul 2013 #7

Manning is in a MILITARY prison, NOT part of the US Prison System. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2013 #12

that fact is not related to my point n/t Enrique Jul 2013 #15

Yes it is... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2013 #36

If he had gone public in the US, then he would have more likely ended up pnwmom Jul 2013 #30

That was then when we had some semblance of rule of law. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #87

Brown didn't limit himself to reporting and investigation. pnwmom Jul 2013 #88

Obviously you have not watched the piece nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #90

They make perfect sense for someone who did a lot more than just blow a whistle. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #11

+1 ucrdem Jul 2013 #28

This is how it seems to me, too. pnwmom Jul 2013 #32

When he taunts, and Greenwald taunts about having much more flamingdem Jul 2013 #38

Really nuanced thinking. Sure a lot eludes that blogger. leveymg Jul 2013 #2

For clarity's sake it was Hong Kong not mainland China think Jul 2013 #4

I can see granting that point. I can see others not granting it, too. randome Jul 2013 #6

If memory serves me right he was told to get out of dodge think Jul 2013 #9

But China has ultimate control and easily had access to Snowden and his computers pnwmom Jul 2013 #33

you know this, how? grasswire Jul 2013 #44

Business travelers have found this out the hard way. pnwmom Jul 2013 #64

but Edward Snowden is not a "business traveler" grasswire Jul 2013 #70

You don't think any of those business travelers work for companies that have pnwmom Jul 2013 #72

maybe Snowden left his real laptops at home too. grasswire Jul 2013 #74

he has four NSA laptops with him nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #75

and how do we know this to be true? grasswire Jul 2013 #78

Well I read it in the Guardian, so maybe it is bullshit. You have a point. arely staircase Jul 2013 #82

We know only what he and Greenwald have told people -- that he was carrying 4 laptops. pnwmom Jul 2013 #79

have you ever considered the notion of decoys? grasswire Jul 2013 #81

and other Guardian reporters arely staircase Jul 2013 #83

he has given up his right to live in a free country so that you and I might have the hope of living Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #5

So, what, are we doing Jesus comparisons now? railsback Jul 2013 #17

"Let he who is without metadata cast the first stone." randome Jul 2013 #20

Nice railsback Jul 2013 #22

OMG the exaggeration! treestar Jul 2013 #18

if it was not for Snowden's actions- whoever he is, whatever his politics, whatever kind of person Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #58

No one would be discussing it? treestar Jul 2013 #59

it was not in the common public domain. very few people knew or cared about it Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #62

The public domain discussion treestar Jul 2013 #63

the robotic abandonment of principle for the sake of blind partisanship is sad Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #66

Abandonment of facts, reality and law treestar Jul 2013 #67

If Bush or any Republican was President now - you would be saying something entirely different Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #68

Well, *I* wouldn't. ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #69

The size, scope, political license, level of technology - that exist in this ever increasing and Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #73

another Obama devotee blogger, yawn quinnox Jul 2013 #8

A collection of lies from the Smear Machine. former9thward Jul 2013 #10

Nobody in Venezuela is "far freer" than anyone here treestar Jul 2013 #19

Fail. former9thward Jul 2013 #27

How does he know he would? treestar Jul 2013 #41

What Then Does One Call The Private Industrial Prison System - America's Gulags cantbeserious Jul 2013 #31

Different Issues treestar Jul 2013 #42

And You Are Sure Of The Reassurances From A Justice Department Unwilling To Prosecute Wall Street cantbeserious Jul 2013 #47

How about following the Zimmeran case or other specific cases? treestar Jul 2013 #53

Great Misdirection - Have A Wonderful Day cantbeserious Jul 2013 #55

People get sent to prison every day in the USA without going to trial Fumesucker Jul 2013 #49

Are you serious? treestar Jul 2013 #54

Is your point that he would be more free in the good ole USofA? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #45

Yes. He can answer to those charges according to our system treestar Jul 2013 #50

You think he would be allowed to be free in the USofA? Your rhetoric didnt answer rhett o rick Jul 2013 #56

"Free" does not mean that one never has to answer to criminal charges! treestar Jul 2013 #61

Free means "not in a friggin prison." Of course in this "free" country, more people are "not free" rhett o rick Jul 2013 #84

Why do you assume that means something wrong automatically? treestar Jul 2013 #86

Accused criminals are ALWAYS more free when granted asylum outside the country. randome Jul 2013 #51

Daniel Ellsburg didn't end up in a gulag. He was let out on bail, and charges pnwmom Jul 2013 #34

Who is Snowden spying for? former9thward Jul 2013 #97

I don't know who Snowden may be spying for, other than himself, but he has leaked information pnwmom Jul 2013 #103

Ellsberg got lucky. former9thward Jul 2013 #104

Where to start, where to start... riqster Jul 2013 #94

Where to start? former9thward Jul 2013 #96

No they are not lies. riqster Jul 2013 #98

Your link did not have one statement by Snowden. former9thward Jul 2013 #99

Then you either did not read them, or riqster Jul 2013 #101

That's ok - The US helps out all those countries in varied ways. So I guess that makes us...what? nt The Straight Story Jul 2013 #13

partners? think Jul 2013 #16

Realistic nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #39

Talk about making no sense... Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #14

criminals have limited choices for a reason sigmasix Jul 2013 #21

Disguised himself, exactly treestar Jul 2013 #46

Why bother yourself with what's true? You seem to think your attitude is enough. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #85

When your thinking makes no sense, you need to start examining your premises. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #23

If you defect, you have to defect to the other side. FarCenter Jul 2013 #24

Unless, of course, you live outside the USA and have an objective viewpoint, in which case Coyotl Jul 2013 #25

seriously? you think you can divorce Snowden from President Obama's expanded cali Jul 2013 #26

Yet, ProSense Jul 2013 #29

Typical Cali post. riqster Jul 2013 #95

It's imbroglio, not inbroglio cali Jul 2013 #35

M and N are right next to each other on the keyboard, could easily be a typo rather than misspelling Fumesucker Jul 2013 #52

A typo indeed. Thanks, I'll fix it. riqster Jul 2013 #93

Oh please. Deliberately irrational spin. Here, he'd be in prison. DirkGently Jul 2013 #37

The post is intellectually dishonest. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #40

+1 cali Jul 2013 #43

Nailed it. ++ DirkGently Jul 2013 #57

+10 RC Jul 2013 #65

The definition of insanity......... wandy Jul 2013 #48

Very well stated. N/T potone Jul 2013 #60

A $200,000 a year compensation isn't "cheep ass" ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #71

That's just what Booz Allen Hamilton paid him............ wandy Jul 2013 #76

Precisely how did the Russians "get it"? grasswire Jul 2013 #80

Quit frankley, I don't we will ever know that.......... wandy Jul 2013 #89

then why make a declarative statement that the "Russians got it"? grasswire Jul 2013 #91

If it is there, why would the Russians NOT have it...... wandy Jul 2013 #92

Snowden Sux!!! nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #77

Of course the Snowden imbroglio has to do with domestic NSA surveillance muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #100

it's 'two minutes hate' for snowden already? markiv Jul 2013 #102