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DefenseLawyer

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27. It's hard to blame Zimmerman for the outcome of the trial.

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:39 PM

Jul 2013

Blame him for what he did, but once he's charged with a crime, he's got a right to present a defense and a right to have the State prove its case. Blame the outcome on the trial on the prosecution and particularly on the police witnesses. They were in the tank for Zimmerman from the beginning. The trial was a charade. The defense knew it. Why else would a defense lawyer ever dare to ask a police witness for the state if he thought the defendant was "credible"? In normal circumstances, the cop would tee that up and crush you. Not only did he ask it and get the answer he wanted, the State didn't even immediately object to what any first year law student knows is vouching for another witness. What prosecutor raises "questions" for the jury in closing argument? None in the more than 100 criminal jury trials I've done. That's what I do. Questions=doubts.
At the end of the day, those cops didn't think Zimmerman did anything wrong and they did everything they could to torpedo their own case. That's what ought to be most troubling to us about this trial.

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Do you know that GZ wasn't "on patrol" for his nonexistent Neighborhood Watch, [View all] warrior1 Jul 2013 OP

I would like to know at what point he put a bullet in the chamber. grasswire Jul 2013 #1

Going by what many in the Gungeon say, CCW folks always have a round chambered. nt Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #3

Not always... Pelican Jul 2013 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #18

If you don't have a round chambered rl6214 Jul 2013 #21

I'm sure it was already chambered naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #6

My favorite is when a person cocks the hammer back on a gun they've just been pointing at someone. X_Digger Jul 2013 #36

I would like to know at what point he put a bullet in the chamber. yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #30

I actually think that would have helped the defense more than the prosecution metalbot Jul 2013 #42

He chamber a round when he loaded the gun at home. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #43

If you think you need to carry a concealed weapon in order to go to Walmart Blackford Jul 2013 #2

This. Apophis Jul 2013 #7

Ever? wercal Jul 2013 #9

CCW isn't allowed at Target . xmas74 Jul 2013 #11

Each state has different laws wercal Jul 2013 #19

Here, in WV, if there is a sign on the door that says no weapons allowed it has to be honored 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #57

Gosh, I guess Zimmerman, the wannabe cop/wannabe lawyer either didn't know or... Spazito Jul 2013 #23

Yes it is rl6214 Jul 2013 #34

If it is discovered, then it wasn't concealed was it? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #38

The sign at the local mall says no firearms except persons authourised doc03 Jul 2013 #55

The people involved below might be alive ... Pelican Jul 2013 #10

Target bans CCW at their stores eom Blackford Jul 2013 #13

Some of the folks listed above... Pelican Jul 2013 #20

And hundreds more would probably be dead if it wasn't n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #22

Yes yes... Pelican Jul 2013 #24

Don't give me that bullshit. Blackford Jul 2013 #25

And the 10s of millions of people who have no problem every day? Pelican Jul 2013 #28

They don;t have a problem YET Blackford Jul 2013 #29

Exactly ellie Jul 2013 #50

And George Zimmerman is STILL a 'responsible gun owner' Blackford Jul 2013 #52

Christ you're bad with logic. EOTE Jul 2013 #41

Genuine statistics show otherwise. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #44

There are many other types of injuries and deaths not included in that advocacy piece. EOTE Jul 2013 #45

Responses. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #46

What do you not understand about this? EOTE Jul 2013 #47

Driving in a car means you are more likely to be injured in a car accident. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #48

People drive cars to go places. Guns are solely used for killing things. EOTE Jul 2013 #49

No they don't EOM rl6214 Jul 2013 #35

I watched a guy kick a woman's car window out pintobean Jul 2013 #12

Target bans CCW at their stores eom Blackford Jul 2013 #14

The car wasn't in the store. eom pintobean Jul 2013 #15

Parking lot still Target property EOM. Blackford Jul 2013 #16

No they don't, get your facts straight rl6214 Jul 2013 #32

Those signs are hilarious. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #39

You said it rl6214 Jul 2013 #40

And no guns were necessary - yeah! Seems like reality worked. IdaBriggs Jul 2013 #26

I also heard warrior1 Jul 2013 #4

I doubt it can be at this point; Sanford PD did SQUAT to investigate GZ Raine1967 Jul 2013 #31

This actually helps Zimmerman in future civil rights litigation wercal Jul 2013 #5

That's already been stated by the media rl6214 Jul 2013 #17

It's hard to blame Zimmerman for the outcome of the trial. DefenseLawyer Jul 2013 #27

Is there anything a prosecution can do in such a situation? JVS Jul 2013 #37

True. And what is the point? N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #33

he targeted, stalked and murdered someone for no reason Skittles Jul 2013 #51

The jury has already decided. It wasn't murder. Self-defense. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #53

LOLOL Skittles Jul 2013 #54

Yep he just saw a black kid walking by and assumed he had doc03 Jul 2013 #56