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GreenStormCloud

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44. Genuine statistics show otherwise.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jul 2013

Legal concealed carry saves more innocent lives than it takes.

In Texas the detailed statistics are compiled annually by the Department of Public Safety and published on the internet. It is likely that the Texas experience with Concealed Handgun Licenses would be about the same in other states. The last year for which statistics are published is 2011 for convictions. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm

In 2011 there were 512,625 people who had CHLs. Out of those people there were exactly three (3) murder convictions and three (3) manslaughter convictions. Out of the general population there were 578 convictions for murder in its various forms.

So very, very few CHL holders go bad, but some do.

The DPS also publishes an annual Crime in Texas Report. http://www.dps.texas.gov/crimereports/10/citCh3.pdf
From that report, page 15:

Statistics on murder circumstances, victims, and
victim/offender relationships on the next page
include justifiable homicides. Justifiable homicide
is the killing of a felon by a peace officer in the
line of duty or the killing (during the commission
of a felony) of a felon by a private citizen. In
2010, there were 98 justifiable homicides, of
which, 50 were felons killed by private citizens,
and 48 were felons killed by police.


In Texas all homicides, even those that are clearly self-defense, have to go before a grand jury which will rule if the killing was justified or not. So those 50 justified private citizen homicides were ones in which the defender genuinely and legitimately feared for his life. Since most shootings are merely woundings there would be a much larger number of justified woundings in which the defender genuinely feared for his life, but that number is not kept. Obviously there are dozens of cases each year in which a CHL holder uses their gun to save themselves.

Dozens of innocent lives saved versus six innocents killed shows the concealed carry is working in Texas. As already stated, there is no reason to believe that other CCW states have a different experience.

Legal concealed carry saves innocent lives.

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I would like to know at what point he put a bullet in the chamber. grasswire Jul 2013 #1
Going by what many in the Gungeon say, CCW folks always have a round chambered. nt Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #3
Not always... Pelican Jul 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #18
If you don't have a round chambered rl6214 Jul 2013 #21
I'm sure it was already chambered naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #6
My favorite is when a person cocks the hammer back on a gun they've just been pointing at someone. X_Digger Jul 2013 #36
I would like to know at what point he put a bullet in the chamber. yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #30
I actually think that would have helped the defense more than the prosecution metalbot Jul 2013 #42
He chamber a round when he loaded the gun at home. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #43
If you think you need to carry a concealed weapon in order to go to Walmart Blackford Jul 2013 #2
This. Apophis Jul 2013 #7
Ever? wercal Jul 2013 #9
CCW isn't allowed at Target . xmas74 Jul 2013 #11
Each state has different laws wercal Jul 2013 #19
Here, in WV, if there is a sign on the door that says no weapons allowed it has to be honored 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #57
Gosh, I guess Zimmerman, the wannabe cop/wannabe lawyer either didn't know or... Spazito Jul 2013 #23
Yes it is rl6214 Jul 2013 #34
If it is discovered, then it wasn't concealed was it? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #38
The sign at the local mall says no firearms except persons authourised doc03 Jul 2013 #55
The people involved below might be alive ... Pelican Jul 2013 #10
Target bans CCW at their stores eom Blackford Jul 2013 #13
Some of the folks listed above... Pelican Jul 2013 #20
And hundreds more would probably be dead if it wasn't n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #22
Yes yes... Pelican Jul 2013 #24
Don't give me that bullshit. Blackford Jul 2013 #25
And the 10s of millions of people who have no problem every day? Pelican Jul 2013 #28
They don;t have a problem YET Blackford Jul 2013 #29
Exactly ellie Jul 2013 #50
And George Zimmerman is STILL a 'responsible gun owner' Blackford Jul 2013 #52
Christ you're bad with logic. EOTE Jul 2013 #41
Genuine statistics show otherwise. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #44
There are many other types of injuries and deaths not included in that advocacy piece. EOTE Jul 2013 #45
Responses. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #46
What do you not understand about this? EOTE Jul 2013 #47
Driving in a car means you are more likely to be injured in a car accident. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #48
People drive cars to go places. Guns are solely used for killing things. EOTE Jul 2013 #49
No they don't EOM rl6214 Jul 2013 #35
I watched a guy kick a woman's car window out pintobean Jul 2013 #12
Target bans CCW at their stores eom Blackford Jul 2013 #14
The car wasn't in the store. eom pintobean Jul 2013 #15
Parking lot still Target property EOM. Blackford Jul 2013 #16
No they don't, get your facts straight rl6214 Jul 2013 #32
Those signs are hilarious. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #39
You said it rl6214 Jul 2013 #40
And no guns were necessary - yeah! Seems like reality worked. IdaBriggs Jul 2013 #26
I also heard warrior1 Jul 2013 #4
I doubt it can be at this point; Sanford PD did SQUAT to investigate GZ Raine1967 Jul 2013 #31
This actually helps Zimmerman in future civil rights litigation wercal Jul 2013 #5
That's already been stated by the media rl6214 Jul 2013 #17
It's hard to blame Zimmerman for the outcome of the trial. DefenseLawyer Jul 2013 #27
Is there anything a prosecution can do in such a situation? JVS Jul 2013 #37
True. And what is the point? N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #33
he targeted, stalked and murdered someone for no reason Skittles Jul 2013 #51
The jury has already decided. It wasn't murder. Self-defense. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #53
LOLOL Skittles Jul 2013 #54
Yep he just saw a black kid walking by and assumed he had doc03 Jul 2013 #56
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