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HardTimes99

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74. Since actuarial tables show that those in possession of a loaded firearm

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:45 PM

Jul 2013

are far more likely to die or be wounded by gunfire, I concede no such thing.

I think I understand where the desire to arm Trayvon post mortem comes from. Hell, there's a part of me that wishes Trayvon had enjoyed an escort of armed Black Panthers that night on his walk to the store and back. Now that kind of an escort might well have improved Trayvon's chances of survival.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 OP

Then he'd be on death row right now. /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #1

+10 quinnox Jul 2013 #3

He'd be alive Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #5

..which would have done him no good because he is Black. /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #24

Being black is just as bad as being dead? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #39

Between this post and the others in this thread Ash_F Jul 2013 #41

Clearly, you haven't read my history Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #53

Case in Point: Woman who fired a warning shot got 20 years Xyzse Jul 2013 #47

Someone hasn't been following that case closely, I see... n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #48

Hmmm Xyzse Jul 2013 #52

I read that she went out to her car, picked up her gun and went back in Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #54

Yeah, got to read up more on it. Xyzse Jul 2013 #66

Oh, and to add to that, she shot at the wall, the bullet ricochetted into the ceiling. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #71

I don't know. Xyzse Jul 2013 #73

So I can fire all day long over the heads of schoolchildren? Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #77

Wrong Lurks Often Jul 2013 #56

Ok, guess I got some wrong Xyzse Jul 2013 #70

Warning shots are illegal and you still have some wrong Lurks Often Jul 2013 #78

"Use a gun and you're done." The minimum sentencing is only mitigated for youths. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #79

Minimum sentencing requirements I think is crazy Xyzse Jul 2013 #81

I have mixed feelings about mandatory sentences Lurks Often Jul 2013 #91

Thing is, many murderers and rapists get far too light a sentence as is. Xyzse Jul 2013 #93

Assault after retreating to rearm and reckless endangerment around children out of her home. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #60

Where could she go after her car is stuck in the garage? Xyzse Jul 2013 #72

Her sworn disposition and testimony say otherwise. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #76

Yes, I see the probable holes in her story Xyzse Jul 2013 #84

My problem is that, within the law, there's no way out for her, outside a plea. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #87

Yeah, plea deal would have probably worked better Xyzse Jul 2013 #90

Any garage door can be opened manually hack89 Jul 2013 #86

Like I said, probable holes Xyzse Jul 2013 #88

Even if she got into the car and locked the doors, she'd have a case. But... n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #92

Being on death row is just as bad as being dead BainsBane Jul 2013 #50

Still, he would have a chance Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #55

Exactly what the NRA wants you to believe. Be SCARED of the Trayvon's AND JaneyVee Jul 2013 #32

+1000 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #83

Study American history, then you will roody Jul 2013 #38

This should help: Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #42

But other innocent bystanders might not maui902 Jul 2013 #46

Gov. pRick Scott would be ordering Old Sparky out of retirement! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #22

oh, bull quinnox Jul 2013 #2

Interesting read you have Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #6

I agree, we shouldn't have to live in fear catfish_nuggets Jul 2013 #51

stupid statement. neighborhood watch volunteers aren't supposed to engage. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #4

Ease my conscience? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #9

But he *did* engage...and had he thought TM was ARMED too, he would NOT have pursued LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #10

Seriously? RobinA Jul 2013 #27

I come to your city often, and it's awesome LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #31

My conscience needs no easing Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #14

kids going to 7 11 for candy should not be taking guns treestar Jul 2013 #7

I agree, now in this case, though Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #12

And by default would have been convicted ceonupe Jul 2013 #26

...and alive Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #57

How do you figure ceonupe Jul 2013 #59

So, worst case scenario, same result as now Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #62

not arguing but as a ccw holder myself i support the current restrictions ceonupe Jul 2013 #67

Most members believe in gun control here, as I do. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #68

Of course arming 17 yr olds isn't the answer. DISarming the assholes is. nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #75

Too bad Zimmerman was allowed to have a gun. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #64

Then he would have been illegally possessing a firearm. Earth_First Jul 2013 #8

Politically, no, but he would have at least the chance of living Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #11

Taking the gun versus possessing a gun are two different situations..nt Earth_First Jul 2013 #15

He has a right to protect himself nt LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #13

...not by owning a handgun illegally. nt Earth_First Jul 2013 #16

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. GZ's gun was illegal too...fat lot of good that LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #18

Indeed. nt Earth_First Jul 2013 #19

Self delete roody Jul 2013 #40

Can't wait until it ends around here. flvegan Jul 2013 #17

that, and because when half the populace is armed, and the other half is not, guess who wins, right LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #20

So, more guns then? flvegan Jul 2013 #25

That dodge don't work no more derby378 Jul 2013 #29

LOL! flvegan Jul 2013 #33

You know what's really cool? pintobean Jul 2013 #21

I wasn't gonna say anything but yea, his sig line quinnox Jul 2013 #23

Oh, so you agree he would be alive? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #58

Not at all.Your hypothetical situation pintobean Jul 2013 #63

I know, but he would have had a chance, right? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #65

You know this thread is useless? pintobean Jul 2013 #69

Have you ever wondered if... Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #97

The black helicopters pintobean Jul 2013 #101

Maybe but he would be in prison for the rest of his life n/t doc03 Jul 2013 #28

What about the SYG law? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #37

What about his race? roody Jul 2013 #45

I think you meant, what about the RACISM? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #98

Better yet, what if the child-raping, cop-assaulting woman-beater with a restraining order.... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #30

This post is pure genius. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #34

Thank you Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #36

Absolutely!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #35

Zardoz has spoken, everybody! MrScorpio Jul 2013 #43

Yes, why ISN'T the NRA saying if Trayvon had a gun he'd be safe?!? johnnyrocket Jul 2013 #44

There's something deeply fucked up about your logic. I'm not sure your HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #49

Would Trayvon have had a better chance of living? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #61

Since actuarial tables show that those in possession of a loaded firearm HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #74

Then when the police arrived they would have shot him n2doc Jul 2013 #80

No one would know what happened Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #82

He'd be in prison gollygee Jul 2013 #85

In this case, I think he would have got away Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #99

This 'logic' ignores the obvious question...why should he HAVE to carry a gun to be safe? renie408 Jul 2013 #89

Here you go... is this the America you want? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #94

He'd be on death row right now. Apophis Jul 2013 #95

Are you serious? BklnDem75 Jul 2013 #96

he would be in prison at least for life or the Police would have shot him dead JI7 Jul 2013 #100