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Decoy of Fenris

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51. I'll make it simple for you; I honestly just don't care.

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:52 PM

Jul 2013

You want to ask me for my ID? You have every right to ask, but I am under no obligation to answer. If my life is clearly threatened if I don't comply, then what do I serve to gain by objection on the spot? If my life -isn't- threatened, why would I show you my ID?

The choice presented is a "morally" inescapable one, given that the only two choices are "Resist" or "Suffer". I don't normally trend towards binary choices, especially choices based on arbitrary morality, and alter my reaction based on the situation at hand given the input I'd currently received in a manner that suits my personal best interests.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] paulbibeau Jul 2013 OP

Oddly, something like that happened to me in the suburbs of Boston. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #1

It's that sort of situation that would freak me out TxDemChem Jul 2013 #2

I can't imagine Z saying ANY of this. louis-t Jul 2013 #3

You would have lost me at the "Do you have ID" part, apples and oranges Jul 2013 #4

"Papers Please" SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #21

Yep. First name Up. Last name Yours. Iggo Jul 2013 #29

No one to answer to. Nothing but this scanner, a cell phone, and a 9mm handgun for company. Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #5

So 7pm is 'out this late'? Rex Jul 2013 #6

Thank you for pointing out that it was 7 pm yardwork Jul 2013 #15

And as someone else pointed out, who robs houses Rex Jul 2013 #18

Everyone WAS home. yardwork Jul 2013 #20

I agree completely, Zimmerman was riding around in his car Rex Jul 2013 #23

I agree with everything but the part about Z losing his rational thought. yardwork Jul 2013 #24

True, I guess I should restate that as Rex Jul 2013 #41

Obviously zappaman Jul 2013 #34

Something is rotten in the verdict. Rex Jul 2013 #80

As a woman,fair or not, my thoughts would be "I need to escape immediately" anneboleyn Jul 2013 #7

I rec'd as assuming you are mocking Zimmy. If in support, unrec and wtf. 7 pm is "this late"? uppityperson Jul 2013 #8

Who said this guy was actually Zimmerman? paulbibeau Jul 2013 #9

What right does the person in your OP have to ask for ID at all? Spazito Jul 2013 #10

I know. A lot of them out there. paulbibeau Jul 2013 #11

Yes, all too many Zimmerman/wannabe cop types to be sure n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #13

Every right to ask, no right to enforce or demand, I'd wager. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #12

So you would have no trouble with a stranger coming up to you with a gun and Spazito Jul 2013 #14

Gun on hip? Nah. Gun in hand? A little. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #17

I'm surprised.... Spazito Jul 2013 #19

Nah, I don't carry. I prefer, if defending myself, to do so with my fists or blade. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #22

okay, I go with that... Spazito Jul 2013 #26

But that's not really the picture your OP painted, is it? Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #31

To me, that is exactly what the OP painted at the point they had the stranger with a gun asking... Spazito Jul 2013 #32

See, I don't see that guy as you intended him to be. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #35

Okay, I am truly agape at this point... Spazito Jul 2013 #37

I'm not certain you do know. At least, about some of the things in pertinence to me. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #43

Your posts over time have, I think, given me a fair sense of where you stand on the issues... Spazito Jul 2013 #48

I'll make it simple for you; I honestly just don't care. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #51

Ok n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #52

By the way, the "I don't care" wasn't at you; just a general statement. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #53

LOL, we do seem to hold quite different views on some issues yet are able to debate... Spazito Jul 2013 #55

Here, let me give you a bit of a leg-up on me, for whenever we next debate. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #58

We are not that unalike it seems... Spazito Jul 2013 #61

It is my honor and pleasure. PM me at any time if the whim strikes you. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #62

Peace to you as well... Spazito Jul 2013 #65

So shall it be, and it will be respected and understood unconditionally. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #67

Thank you! n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #70

It's not Spazito's OP (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #39

You're right, and I have apologized accordingly. Thank you. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #44

If someone comes up to me without identifying they are a police office asking who i was Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #47

Then you're only perpetuating a cycle of gun violence. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #50

Yup I agree. No it didn't take me longer to realize anything. I am very well-traveled Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #56

Understood, given that you understand that everyone's a potential killer. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #59

Your joking right? It's all dependent on the situation. There is no one set rule to judge Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #63

And the man you'd so casually beat is no different in a vaccuum. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #64

I never beat anyone "casually" it's always been with the utmost regret Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #68

I'm going to quote you, okay? We're talking about a theoretical person. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #69

Still not sure where your going, there is still nothing casual about that Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #71

I replied to myself accidentally. Please look one post below. :) Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #73

Ah, see, there's our misunderstanding: Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #72

See the OP title, I thought it was evident Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #74

I tend to go post by post. It gets rather bad for me if it's not linear. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #75

Not a bad philosophy on combat, ESPECIALLY the part.... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #77

Kendo tends to be all about that Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #81

I can relate. I've spent 30+ years learning graduated response.... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #57

That's a good thing, if you'd forgive my intrusion. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #60

Well see that the problem with this verdict.... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #76

Agreed, decorum is going the way of the Dodo Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #66

A little????!!!! yardwork Jul 2013 #25

Um... Yeah. I have respect for guns, but I don't fear them. Don't get me going on spiders, though. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #27

Most people would feel differently. yardwork Jul 2013 #30

I know. I'm aberrant that way, but eh, it is what it is. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #33

Zimmerman killed Trayvon. yardwork Jul 2013 #36

Like this: Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #40

That's what I thought. Thank you. yardwork Jul 2013 #42

People see what they want to see; an eyewitness is no more unbiased than hearsay, individually. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #45

How about a 17 year old boy who has been instructed in exboyfil Jul 2013 #38

How about 'em? I haven't been 17 in a decade. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #46

Stay Away From My Hood otohara Jul 2013 #16

I get the concerned homeowner One_Life_To_Give Jul 2013 #28

Very nicely written! nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #49

the guy in the OP sounds like some fucked up creeper JI7 Jul 2013 #54

Buddy, I tell you what: That's one of the scariest short stories I've ever read. Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #78

Thanks! paulbibeau Jul 2013 #79