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socialist_n_TN

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76. Well see that the problem with this verdict....

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 08:05 PM

Jul 2013

In the past, using graduated response, I'd just use enough force to defuse the situation and then go on my merry way. Now, I feel like I don't have that choice anymore. Even if somebody STARTS shit with me (physical, not verbal), I don't feel like I can just defuse the situation, I feel like I have to actually immobilize my opponent one way or another. BECAUSE EVEN IF HE STARTS IT AND I'M WINNING IT, HE CAN SHOOT ME IF HE THINKS HE'S IN "DANGER". There's no leeway anymore.

It's some fucked up shit.

Edited to add: I've always had a lot of control over myself. I would never use too much force than is called for in a situation. At least that's the way it was before.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] paulbibeau Jul 2013 OP

Oddly, something like that happened to me in the suburbs of Boston. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #1

It's that sort of situation that would freak me out TxDemChem Jul 2013 #2

I can't imagine Z saying ANY of this. louis-t Jul 2013 #3

You would have lost me at the "Do you have ID" part, apples and oranges Jul 2013 #4

"Papers Please" SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #21

Yep. First name Up. Last name Yours. Iggo Jul 2013 #29

No one to answer to. Nothing but this scanner, a cell phone, and a 9mm handgun for company. Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #5

So 7pm is 'out this late'? Rex Jul 2013 #6

Thank you for pointing out that it was 7 pm yardwork Jul 2013 #15

And as someone else pointed out, who robs houses Rex Jul 2013 #18

Everyone WAS home. yardwork Jul 2013 #20

I agree completely, Zimmerman was riding around in his car Rex Jul 2013 #23

I agree with everything but the part about Z losing his rational thought. yardwork Jul 2013 #24

True, I guess I should restate that as Rex Jul 2013 #41

Obviously zappaman Jul 2013 #34

Something is rotten in the verdict. Rex Jul 2013 #80

As a woman,fair or not, my thoughts would be "I need to escape immediately" anneboleyn Jul 2013 #7

I rec'd as assuming you are mocking Zimmy. If in support, unrec and wtf. 7 pm is "this late"? uppityperson Jul 2013 #8

Who said this guy was actually Zimmerman? paulbibeau Jul 2013 #9

What right does the person in your OP have to ask for ID at all? Spazito Jul 2013 #10

I know. A lot of them out there. paulbibeau Jul 2013 #11

Yes, all too many Zimmerman/wannabe cop types to be sure n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #13

Every right to ask, no right to enforce or demand, I'd wager. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #12

So you would have no trouble with a stranger coming up to you with a gun and Spazito Jul 2013 #14

Gun on hip? Nah. Gun in hand? A little. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #17

I'm surprised.... Spazito Jul 2013 #19

Nah, I don't carry. I prefer, if defending myself, to do so with my fists or blade. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #22

okay, I go with that... Spazito Jul 2013 #26

But that's not really the picture your OP painted, is it? Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #31

To me, that is exactly what the OP painted at the point they had the stranger with a gun asking... Spazito Jul 2013 #32

See, I don't see that guy as you intended him to be. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #35

Okay, I am truly agape at this point... Spazito Jul 2013 #37

I'm not certain you do know. At least, about some of the things in pertinence to me. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #43

Your posts over time have, I think, given me a fair sense of where you stand on the issues... Spazito Jul 2013 #48

I'll make it simple for you; I honestly just don't care. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #51

Ok n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #52

By the way, the "I don't care" wasn't at you; just a general statement. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #53

LOL, we do seem to hold quite different views on some issues yet are able to debate... Spazito Jul 2013 #55

Here, let me give you a bit of a leg-up on me, for whenever we next debate. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #58

We are not that unalike it seems... Spazito Jul 2013 #61

It is my honor and pleasure. PM me at any time if the whim strikes you. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #62

Peace to you as well... Spazito Jul 2013 #65

So shall it be, and it will be respected and understood unconditionally. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #67

Thank you! n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #70

It's not Spazito's OP (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #39

You're right, and I have apologized accordingly. Thank you. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #44

If someone comes up to me without identifying they are a police office asking who i was Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #47

Then you're only perpetuating a cycle of gun violence. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #50

Yup I agree. No it didn't take me longer to realize anything. I am very well-traveled Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #56

Understood, given that you understand that everyone's a potential killer. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #59

Your joking right? It's all dependent on the situation. There is no one set rule to judge Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #63

And the man you'd so casually beat is no different in a vaccuum. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #64

I never beat anyone "casually" it's always been with the utmost regret Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #68

I'm going to quote you, okay? We're talking about a theoretical person. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #69

Still not sure where your going, there is still nothing casual about that Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #71

I replied to myself accidentally. Please look one post below. :) Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #73

Ah, see, there's our misunderstanding: Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #72

See the OP title, I thought it was evident Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #74

I tend to go post by post. It gets rather bad for me if it's not linear. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #75

Not a bad philosophy on combat, ESPECIALLY the part.... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #77

Kendo tends to be all about that Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #81

I can relate. I've spent 30+ years learning graduated response.... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #57

That's a good thing, if you'd forgive my intrusion. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #60

Well see that the problem with this verdict.... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #76

Agreed, decorum is going the way of the Dodo Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #66

A little????!!!! yardwork Jul 2013 #25

Um... Yeah. I have respect for guns, but I don't fear them. Don't get me going on spiders, though. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #27

Most people would feel differently. yardwork Jul 2013 #30

I know. I'm aberrant that way, but eh, it is what it is. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #33

Zimmerman killed Trayvon. yardwork Jul 2013 #36

Like this: Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #40

That's what I thought. Thank you. yardwork Jul 2013 #42

People see what they want to see; an eyewitness is no more unbiased than hearsay, individually. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #45

How about a 17 year old boy who has been instructed in exboyfil Jul 2013 #38

How about 'em? I haven't been 17 in a decade. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #46

Stay Away From My Hood otohara Jul 2013 #16

I get the concerned homeowner One_Life_To_Give Jul 2013 #28

Very nicely written! nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #49

the guy in the OP sounds like some fucked up creeper JI7 Jul 2013 #54

Buddy, I tell you what: That's one of the scariest short stories I've ever read. Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #78

Thanks! paulbibeau Jul 2013 #79