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Igel

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23. Thank you.

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:04 PM

Jul 2013

"He's back" rather means "he was gone" and we can suppose that GZ didn't know where TM was.

I'd missed that.

I thought that TM had run and hidden someplace. But it makes no sense for GZ to be following TM and then go away enough for TM to say, "He's back" and then "He's getting closer." And if you were being stalked, would you let GZ "get closer" voluntarily if you were walking along? I'd pick up the pace--if we were 20 feet apart for the last 5 minutes, we could stay 20 feet apart until help arrived.

"Hidden" might just mean he stepped off the sidewalk and was near a building partly hidden by a tree. But I couldn't reconcile having GZ following TM for as long as the phone call took + most of the two minutes without them winding up far, far away from where they started. Or doing multiple circuits around the block.

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How does Juror B37 know that Zimmerman didn't grab Trayvon's sweatshirt and try to hold onto him? [View all] Duer 157099 Jul 2013 OP

Her log told her. onehandle Jul 2013 #1

OMG you know, I get that Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #2

I do. Had to think about it for a minute. Whisp Jul 2013 #17

I do! dflprincess Jul 2013 #21

nope, I think even the log would have come back with AT LEAST guilty of manslaughter... bench scientist Jul 2013 #4

The log lady was much smarter. yardwork Jul 2013 #46

Based on Zimmerman's want to be a hero attitude and not wanting the A-Hole to get away Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #3

Exactly which is why I also think that avebury Jul 2013 #7

The ballistics dude said Trayvon was on top XemaSab Jul 2013 #47

The hysteria about this case has been all about emotion.. Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #5

The gun recoil broke his nose, naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #14

Ya think?! Carolina Jul 2013 #18

There's no hysteria? Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #20

We're also surprised brush Jul 2013 #31

For one thing... Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #36

What's your position on zimmerman then? nt brush Jul 2013 #37

To answer your question... Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #39

Okay. We feel the same brush Jul 2013 #45

The United States is a nation of emotions over facts laundry_queen Jul 2013 #19

From the OP: "Rachel heard Trayvon yelling "get offa me!" which people also use to mean "let me go" Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #25

Well we certainly didn't get the real story brush Jul 2013 #30

I don't know about the number of hits, etc... Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #35

It's not obvious he was getting his ass whipped brush Jul 2013 #38

I think he was getting his ass kicked AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #40

I agree with most brush Jul 2013 #42

By getting his ass kicked AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #43

Maybe brush Jul 2013 #44

You are blessed by the Gods to have such insight Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #49

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I believe he had his gun out and tortured that child with it HipChick Jul 2013 #8

I look forward to hearing how the evidence supports this. n/t Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #15

Was she the juror that refused to look at Rachel? n/t targetpractice Jul 2013 #9

The jurors all apparently agreed AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #41

I do wish the prosecution had painted such a scenario mzmolly Jul 2013 #10

I am starting to have doubts that many Americans have the critical thinking skills to serve Pholus Jul 2013 #11

Georgie didn't leave the area either pokerfan Jul 2013 #12

Thank you. Igel Jul 2013 #23

The the prosecution ever enter evidence to suggest that is what happened? Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #13

The prosecution did a shitty job. naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #16

I think many either cannot or have great difficulty separating what they believe and what is proven TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #26

From the OP: "Rachel heard Trayvon yelling "get offa me!" which people also use to mean "let me go" Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #24

the only thing this stupid fuck heard was the sound of cash regiters frylock Jul 2013 #22

And this matters how, exactly? Igel Jul 2013 #27

I'm convinced she heard none of the trial TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #28

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Yeah, in Florida brush Jul 2013 #32

ALEC laws have got to be brought down. They are wreaking havoc on our country. GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #34

Because nobody knows GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #33

Although this wasn't the case to begin with davidpdx Jul 2013 #48