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calimary

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51. I just can't believe what's going down in this country.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jul 2013

It's as though these accursed Stand Your Ground laws have, in effect, allowed open season to be declared, in a COMPLETELY ARBITRARY WAY, against anyone whose looks you don't like. If you think they look like nogoodniks then you're authorized to take matters into your own hands. I thought the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing was the governing principle across the board. But these laws wind up deputizing people into being their own self-anointed/self-appointed judge-jury-executioner, singlehandedly. Unilaterally. HAH - reminds me of the blight on America that the theory of the unitary executive was allowed to play out under bush/cheney. Well - Stand Your Ground laws allow you to become your very own bush/cheney, then. They've been taken WAY too far, to the point where they're now creating multiple menaces to society. Giving "rights" to loose cannons everywhere!

THAT, THERE, should be unconstitutional on its face, and swatted down like the nuisance mosquito flying around your face on a hot night. It denies due process. It denies an arbitrarily-singled-out group of people the most basic foundation of American justice - innocent until proven guilty. It is THE WORST of us. And it sure as hell brings out that WORST of us.

For those who insist that "guns aren't the problem! People are the problem," all I can offer in response is that if people are the problem, they're a BIGGER and deadlier problem when they have guns.

And for all the gunners out there and the Second Amendment apologists - I say to you - OKAY THEN. It's on YOU. GET YOUR ASSES IN GEAR AND FIX THIS PROBLEM. AND FIX IT NOW!!!! Seize the leadership this gives you and do something beneficial for ALL of society beyond just your fellow paranoiacs, for a change! Or else the rest of us will find a way to cut through your crap and your obstructionism and and your dawdling and your excuse-making and fix it for you. If you refuse to act, then we'll have to.

Sometimes, as a mom, I find myself boiling down issues like this to some very simple basics. If you can't play nice, mom has to take your toys away from you and send you to your room for awhile perhaps to think it over as to how big a snot nose or brat-child you're being, or how reprehensible your behavior is, or how utterly indefensible and irrational and nonsensical your position is. I think we've reached that point here.

Or put it this way. Aren't we all just peachy-keen happy and comfy-cozy with the idea that the manifestly irrational, incredibly screwed-up, and deeply prejudiced "Georgie" got his gun back? Feelin' safer now, America?

It aint just Florida. Scuba Jul 2013 #1
It aint just Florida. AlbertCat Jul 2013 #39
Unlike Florida, bvar22 Jul 2013 #63
I do believe he was convicted Sissyk Jul 2013 #73
That is a pretty big difference, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #74
Not so fast... ecstatic Jul 2013 #82
Jesus Christ. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #2
So who's the first DUer who will chime in with the 'mitigating circumstances?' Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #3
I think it's a person named Blue_Tires. nt el_bryanto Jul 2013 #4
+1 alittlelark Jul 2013 #8
Hope my JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #5
He probably told someone once that he wanted to be a bad-ass. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #9
great point! JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #12
Wow. Just Saying Jul 2013 #6
Best way to stop a bad racist with a gun is a good racist with a gun, I guess. Orrex Jul 2013 #10
Let's just have one or two black vigilantes "stand their ground" and the law will disappear. The Wielding Truth Jul 2013 #34
It would be interesting to see how the media would spin it Orrex Jul 2013 #36
Somehow ... I don't think a black man would ever actually be covered by the law etherealtruth Jul 2013 #38
True, assuming the black SYG defendant made it alive to court CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #56
that's what got ronnie raygun to end open carry in california. the black panthers started walking leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #40
Exactly. The Wielding Truth Jul 2013 #45
Here's one of the images that scared the shit out of white Californians tularetom Jul 2013 #52
there needs to be alot more of this - you want to end syg, there's the answer leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #65
I just can't believe what's going down in this country. calimary Jul 2013 #51
Asshole has security cameras but decided to murder this child instead? Orrex Jul 2013 #7
What? The victim should just stand by and call police and hope for the best? Robb Jul 2013 #16
Um, right. Yes, do go on... NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #42
Which one had the Mossberg shotgun? Robb Jul 2013 #62
More obfuscation and misdirection, avoiding an answer to the original question, Robb... NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #64
Two days after Sandy Hook you posted that. Robb Jul 2013 #66
As you know, the context for that post is no longer visible on DU. It's pointless to argue. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #67
Baloney. Robb Jul 2013 #68
More obfuscation and misdirection, avoiding an answer to the original question, Robb... NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #69
The nature of your character is revealed in your posts. Robb Jul 2013 #70
As is yours, Robb. This very thread, your own OP and replies, are quite revealing. (nt) NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #71
Gun enthusiasts are understandably bothered Robb Jul 2013 #72
I cannot believe you two are still fighitng over this. Rex Jul 2013 #76
please continue uponit7771 Jul 2013 #49
Let's see, three hours and counting hatrack Jul 2013 #58
Another law-abiding legal gun owner. sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #11
He is not the first, and won't be the last. mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #13
Milwaukee is and has been one of the most racially segregated cities ... Myrina Jul 2013 #14
I left in 73 SCVDem Jul 2013 #32
Clear case of First Degree Homicide Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #15
+1000 geardaddy Jul 2013 #25
Yep AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #29
+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #50
Don't want to make it seem this isn't a horrible crime but booley Jul 2013 #17
Looks like he's going to die in jail. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #18
Will these motherfuckers stop playing cop?! sakabatou Jul 2013 #19
Not as long as they have their guns wryter2000 Jul 2013 #21
Are the cops any better? MNBrewer Jul 2013 #27
Hell if know sakabatou Jul 2013 #28
speechless. nt LittleGirl Jul 2013 #20
He's another one of those creepy crazy old men EC Jul 2013 #22
This is despicable robert87 Jul 2013 #23
Spooner will now know what real "trouble" is SHRED Jul 2013 #24
Boycott MILWAUKEE NOW! L0oniX Jul 2013 #26
Only if the family had to fight the city for two months to get an arrest. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #37
hell how many days did it take for okieinpain Jul 2013 #46
It wasn't like it was anyone "IMPORTANT".... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #48
I live next door to a black family AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #30
didn't this happen last year? RedRocco Jul 2013 #31
Yes. Article liked at OP appears to be an update of his trial (n/t) JHB Jul 2013 #33
Wanna bet this guy was a FOX "News" fan? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #35
The Fox News Channel ought to be sued out of business SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #44
I really believe it will vanish when Murdock dies. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #47
How I wish I could believe that, but there's so much money in his media empire Hekate Jul 2013 #57
FOX "News" hurts the rest of the Fox Entertainment franchise.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #60
I do hope you are right. nt Hekate Jul 2013 #61
Somebody else will come along. It makes too much money. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #77
It really doesn't. They're demographic is shrinking. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #78
I hope so. Hope there isn't an automatic geezer gene that makes you turn on that channel. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #79
$1M IrishAyes Jul 2013 #41
Tragically, IrishAyes Jul 2013 #43
Reminds me of the Yoshihiro Hattori case out of Louisiana in the early 90's. stranger81 Jul 2013 #83
in that case the old guy was actually sorry and gave up his gun JI7 Jul 2013 #84
Wow . . . . Didn't realize he gave up his gun. Good for him. stranger81 Jul 2013 #85
We will be seeing a lot more of this now. n/t Laffy Kat Jul 2013 #53
Is this a hate crime yet? postulater Jul 2013 #54
I daresay had he not been convicted ... Kennah Jul 2013 #80
They just put him in the back of a squad car while they investigated? WTF? djean111 Jul 2013 #55
why wouldn't they? Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #75
he will be tried in milwaukee county--think his goose is cooked--if he gets a change of venue to dembotoz Jul 2013 #59
I can't help but wonder what would have happened ecstatic Jul 2013 #81
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